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Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by throw310822 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:20AM (#45272013)
> Shouldn't similar preconditions of making amends apply to whether or not we accept the existence of those Arab states?

And what if they should? Do you think it make Israel's genocide look better now?

Stop trying to change the subject or shift the blame, it's a trick and it's pathetic.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @03:48AM (#45273045)
Why were these Arab states not persecuted for their ethnic cleansing of Jews?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by jajko on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @05:44AM (#45273732)
Whatabouttism doesn't change the underlying topic
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by Aeolun on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @06:06AM (#45273874)
Because they didn’t do it on an industrial scale?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by dotancohen on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @08:43AM (#45275170)
What is industrial? How many Jews are left in Syria, or Lebanon, or Egypt, or Tunis, or Iraq, or Yemen, or Persia?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by bigyabai on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @04:04PM (#45280719)
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by octopoc on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @09:40AM (#45275723)
Because they aren't buying off Western politicians in bulk, but that's exactly what Israel is clearly doing
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ukblewis on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:50AM (#45272215)
It is called a rhetorical device. It is considering the ends of your argument. If you are British, French, German, American, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. and you support the argument that displacement or control of a people is bad, I agree, but consider what you would want to do and apply the rule fairly. Criticising one country for “taking” land when it was given that land by the same UN you use to claim that it is a genocidal country today… well that really is rich
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by throw310822 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @02:13AM (#45272361)
Yes of course it's a rhetorical device, and it's meant to subtly change the subject to prevent engaging with it.

This conversation went like this:

>>>> ppl keep railing about being pro or anti Israel and it's overly simplistic and also not really accurately describing things. It's more pro/anti Likud or Kahanists

To which I replied that Israel is constitutionally born out of a pre-planned colonisation and ethnic cleansing and it's wrong to think that its supremacist ideology only belongs to a part of its political spectrum- it could change but it's unfortunately unrealistic.

>>> Israel was literally born out of political scheming to get assigned a portion of someone else's territory for an exclusive ethno-nationalistic state; then out of ethnically cleansing that territory. It was necessary to the project and planned in advance.

To which the GP replied with something that tries to change the subject on Arab states, at the same time introducing a historical falsehood:

>> The Arab states haven't made amends for ethnically cleansing huge numbers of Jews

Now,

1) the Arab states are not born out of a planned ethnic cleansing of anyone (at least not in the recent past)

2) Many, perhaps most of the Jews that immigrated to Israel did so voluntarily (made Aliyah)

3) By the way, Israel itself even engaged in false flag terrorism to push Jews to emigrate from Arab countries to Israel.

And most importantly, the argument has no bearing with the original subject, which is whether its a specific political side that is determining Israel's course now or the country is constitutionally like that. Arab countries have nothing to do with the subject, they belong to a different conversation.

Hope it helps.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by DiogenesKynikos on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:58AM (#45272269)
Was it really the "same" UN? In 1947, most of the world was still colonized, and had no UN representation. France, Britain and the US might not have had much of a problem with telling some people in the Third World to give up their homeland, but sentiment in colonized countries would have been very different.

Also recall that it was only a UN recommendation, not a binding resolution.