Your comment is as extreme as Israel's actions at the moment.

This sort of mentality will perpetuate conflict and atrocities.

No, my comment reflects how the vast majority of people on this planet think. Israel will be the next Rhodesia.

It’s the mask off aspect of the recent rise of anti-Israel / anti-Jewish sentiments. It’s surprising to see it brought out into the open by the persistence of activism. But it’s not surprising that this is the foundation of pro Palestinian stances, given that Hamas’s charter literally labels the entire region as being for Muslims only, and calls for relentless Jihad. The chants (from the river to the sea) also give it away.

Are there not "Jewish only" roads and areas in the occupied West Bank? Do Jewish Israelis not use "From the river to the sea" as well? Is Israel not attacking several different countries in the region? Let me guess, that's different.

> Are there not "Jewish only" roads and areas in the occupied West Bank

Not really, there are security measures connected to citizenship and vehicle registration, not "Jewish only" roads. Jews are not allowed in Area A, though.

> Is Israel not attacking several different countries in the region?

Not really, it responded to several attacks against it. Do you expect Israel to tolerate attacks with no response? States that gave up on trying to destroy Israel, like Egypt and Jordan, have not been attacked by Israel since.

> Do Jewish Israelis not use "From the river to the sea" as well?

"Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" is not nearly as problematic as "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab".

> there are security measures connected to citizenship and vehicle registration

Which in practice means there are Jewish-only roads.

> Jews are not allowed in Area A, though.

It's the Israeli government that bans Israelis from entering Area A. The Palestinians don't ban Jews from entering. I personally know Jewish people who have visited Area A.

> Not really, it responded to several attacks against it.

Israel has launched unprovoked attacks on Iran, Syria and most recently Qatar. Qatar has no intentions at all of destroying Israel, and Syria barely even has a government.

> "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" is not nearly as problematic as "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab".

Leaving aside the fact that you distorted the Palestinian chant (which ends, "Palestine will be free"), the Israeli version is much more problematic, because Israel is actually implementing it. The Palestinians have a vague hope that all of historic Palestine will be free one day. The Israelis actually control all of historic Palestine, subject millions of people there to permanent military rule with no rights, have murdered over 60,000 Palestinians in the last two years, and are systematically stealing land in the West Bank. There's no comparison at all.

I’m not Muslim nor in Hamas. I’m speaking as an American who wants a total removal of Zionist influence from my government based on Zionist actions both in Palestine and the US.

Conflating anti-Israel and anti-Jewish arguments is deliberately facetious, and reveals that your argument can't defend Israel on a secular basis. Your strawmen are inconsequential, entire centuries have gone by without an Israel and Jews were no worse-off because of it.

I am flagging your comment as it was written in bad-faith. Please reread the guidelines for discussion here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What makes you think "dissolving Israel" would be any more peaceful than "dissolving Gaza" would be?

Israel need US protection and money. If you take that away, the settlers go home. If they don't, then yes, I'm sure the US can defeat Israel in armed conflict.

What makes you think America would support ethnically cleansing the half million Yemeni Jews in Israel and forcing them to "go home" to Yemen and live under the oppressive boot of the Houthis, a slave owning theocratic antisemitic regime whose flag says "a curse upon the Jews"?

I think most Americans would rather support dissolving the Houthi regime and forcing them to pay reparations to the Jews they ethnically cleansed and whose property they stole.

I think Americans are done hearing about Zionist invented fictional scenarios. The reality is that Palestine has been ethnically cleansed by Zionists. The other reality is that young Americans see Israel as our enemy, so there will be no support in the near future.

The only fictional scenario here is the one you're proposing where you think you can ethnically cleanse 10 million Israelis without any consequence.

The consequences are squarely on the Zionists.

You mean the consequences are squarely on the Islamists.

Palestinians, regardless of their religion, need their land returned to them.

Imagine justifying the cleansing of 10 million people and saying 'it's on them'. The more you let pro-palestinian supporters talk, the more comfortable they get with saying it all out loud.

Returning Palestinian land to Palestinians isn’t “ethnic cleansing”. It’s righting a brutal crime against humanity. It’s 100% on Zionists for creating this situation.

How many of those 10 million you think deserve it were born there, never made the decision? Descendants of people kicked out of the surrounding arab/muslim ethno/theocratic states? You are taking actions that happened generations ago ofttimes times out of people control, and applying the guilt to at this point multi-generation descendants.

But it's OK, because they are the wrong people. It's fine to punish/displace the wrong people for what they happen to be born into.

'Your grandparents were pushed out of their homes and Israel was the only nation that would take them in? To bad so sad boo hoo. You are a monster for being born, no one cares what happens to you, you are evil for being born' -- You probably

That’s rich considering Zionists are using very nebulous, 2,000 year old lore to justify their occupation.

Got it, that justifies you condemning 10 million people, millions of whom were born into this, to whatever fate sends them without a care? All while acting like you come from some moral high ground that allows you to make moral judgement calls?

I'm imagining someone telling my friend whose grandparents came to the US undocumented that my friend has to leave and who cares what happens to my friend, what happens to them is their grandparents fault. Fuck that.

This is all on the Zionists to resolve. They created this situation and owe it to the world to clean it up. I don’t see anything wrong with Europe taking in the Zionists. It’s literally the birthplace of Zionism.

Yeah, it's fictional--they would be dead, not expelled.

You are asking them to accept extinction. If that were forced on them they would take the Sampson option.

They can return to their countries of origin or face military repercussions.

And what is your proposal for those with no other country of origin - either because they were born in Israel, were ethnically cleansed by their previous country, or their previous country no longer exists?

Europe owes the world reparations for Zionism, so they can house these people.

You might as well say the Arab states owe the world reparations for ethnically cleansing Mizrahi Jews, so they can house the Palestinians.

My president isn’t running interference for Arab ethnic cleansing using my tax dollars. They owe me nothing.

You said this in response to my post pointing out the majority were expelled from Arab lands. You're telling them to go back and die.

They have a lot of reparations to make to their neighbors (and the entire planet).

Making Israel unviable is condemning the Jews to death. You think that's a proper solution?

And don't say "go home". The majority are descended from those expelled from Arab lands, there's no home to go to.

Did Apartheid South Africa becoming unviable condemned white south africans to death?

Is this a trick question?

The answer is no. They still get to live there.

Did the blacks promise genocide of the whites in South Africa? No.

Do the Palestinians promise genocide of the Jews in Israel? Yes.

This is pure histrionics. It’s the Zionists committing genocide, today. Today’s reality trumps tomorrow’s fictional scenario.