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Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by SilverElfin on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @10:05PM (#45270720)
It has gone on and the people occupying Gaza and the West Bank rejected several two state solutions. And when given the right to vote, they placed Hamas into power and began an Iran backed rocket crusade against Israel. It was capped off by October 7. What solution can work except to let the one democratic society take over the entire region?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by isr on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:14AM (#45271598)
Leaving aside your outright lies, here's a workable solution. All European settlers who have unlawfully entered Palestine, and robbed, murdered & raped their way across the land... they all get deported back to from whence they came. Period. And the NATIVE INHABITANTS are allowed freely to repopulate THEIR land, whether they are currently in a deathcamp (Gaza), an increasingly shrinking & walled off concentration camp (West Bank), or in refugee camps further afield.

That solution works. Let's do that one.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ngcazz on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @11:36PM (#45271363)
The people "occupying" Gaza and the West Bank are the Israelis, and the Palestinians rightfully refuse any agreements which strip them of their rights under the guise of generosity. Stop with the ahistorical equivocation.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by FireBeyond on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @10:24PM (#45270864)
I wonder if that had anything at all to do with the Israeli right backing Hamas at the time, because they were being shamed internationally (haha) by the previously militant PLA/PLO being more and more willing to negotiate.

Netanyahu and his ilk didn't like the awkward questions of why the terrorists were negotiating but they weren't. So they started propping up Hamas.

> And when given the right to vote, they placed Hamas into power and began an Iran backed rocket crusade against Israel.

"They" started firing rockets, or Hamas? Hamas who is 30,000 of Gaza's 2.5M? Just when was that last election, again?

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by tguvot on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @03:10AM (#45272758)
Nobody in Israel propped up Hamas to win elections.

Palestinian elections in 2006 were forced by USA (because democracy and stuff) despite objections from Israel and PA who were afraid that Hamas will win.

When Hamas won elections and assembled government, USA sponsored coup executed by PLO. Coup succeeded in West Bank and failed in Gaza.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by arunabha on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @12:21AM (#45271630)
> And when given the right to vote, they placed Hamas into power

Are you sure you want to hold voters directly accountable for an election that happened over a decade ago? If yes, then it's a pretty slippery slope to be on, esp if the same standard were to be applied to US voters.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by SilverElfin on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @01:03AM (#45271889)
I do because it was clear to them what Hamas stood for. Try reading their charter for details.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ngcazz on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @02:17PM (#45279394)
Half the population wasn't _even born_ when Hamas got into power, and Hamas revised the charter in 2017 to remove the anti-semitic language
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @07:37PM (#45282815)
More than half of Israel's population wasn't even born when Israel was formed. Doesn't seem to matter, they are supposed to move back to Europe (though they were born in Israel of parents born in Israel of parents born in the middle east, not europe). They can't get away from the original sin of being born to people who were born by zionists. Those evil zio-settler babies.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by ViewTrick1002 on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @03:48AM (#45273043)
You do know that Israel financed Hamas to cause a split in the politics between the West Bank and Gaza? All to prevent a unified Palestine.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by octopoc on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @10:00AM (#45275953)
Israel interfered in Gaza politics to ensure they had no option but Hamas[1] [2] [3] [4]. If you screw yourself, you shouldn't blame anyone else when you get fucked.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

[3] https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolste...

[4] https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian...

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by tguvot on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @02:24PM (#45279494)
Nobody in Israel propped up Hamas to win elections. Palestinian elections in 2006 were forced by USA (because democracy and stuff) despite objections from Israel and PA who were afraid that Hamas will win.

When Hamas won elections (both in west bank and gaza) and assembled government, USA sponsored coup executed by PLO. Coup succeeded in West Bank and failed in Gaza.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by bigyabai on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @04:02PM (#45280701)
> Nobody in Israel propped up Hamas to win elections

That's not exactly true, no matter which side you support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#Isra...

  Qatar started sending money to the Gaza Strip on a monthly basis in 2018. $15 million worth of cash-filled suitcases were transported into Gaza by the Qataris via Israeli territory. The payments commenced due to the 2017 decision by the Palestinian Authority (PA), an administration in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and rival to Hamas, to cut government employee salaries in Gaza. At the time, the PA objected to the funds, which Hamas said was intended for both medical and governmental salary payments.
Israel has always had the opportunity to cooperate with the Palestinian Authority. They chose to support Hamas, instead. Whether or not that's the right decision is up for debate, but the course of action was already set in stone.
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by tguvot on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @04:19PM (#45280901)
election were in 2006. there were no elections after this. i am not sure how payments that started in 2018 influenced 2006 elections.

also, you probably weren't around back than, but there was international pressure on Israel to allow those money, because, quoting mainstream press, un, etc "hundreds of thousands of people will be hungry, there will be famine and collapse of all services in gaza that will lead to humanitarian disaster".

so, now, after Israel caved to international pressure to prevent humanitarian disaster in Gaza, Israel is blamed for propping up hamas.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by octopoc on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @06:36PM (#45282252)
Netanyahu literally propped up Hamas at the expense of other options, which you would know if you even just read the headline on the first source I linked. So you disagree with the Times of Israel? Care to elaborate on why you disagree other than just make assertions?
Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by tguvot on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @06:58PM (#45282456)
Netanyahu wasn't PM betwen 1999 to 2009.

Last general palestinian elections in which hamas won was in 2006.

attempted coup by PLO was in 2007

you will know it, if you will know history.

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by octopoc on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @07:05PM (#45282514)
Obviously, but Hamas needed Israel's help to maintain power, which Israel was happy to do. This happened recently, like in the 2020s. In case there's a paywall preventing people from reading my sources, here you go:

> Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.

> According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

Re:Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of g... by tguvot on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @07:22PM (#45282663)
you are moving goal posts. discussion was about gazans electing hamas while been well aware that it's charter calls for destruction of Israel and killing Jews

quoting you "Israel interfered in Gaza politics to ensure they had no option but Hamas".

A few corrections on this topic:

- there was/is no Gaza politics

- Elections were general elections in Palestinian Autonomy

- Both Israel and PA were against elections because they were afraid that Hamas will win but USA forced it because "democracy shall prevail and will resolve everything"

- Hamas won general elections in Palestinian Autonomy in 2006 and assembled government chaired by ismail haniyeh as PM

- USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government

- Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007

- During coup, Hamas killed, dragged behind bikes or threw from rooftops those that opposed it

- After coup, Hamas tortured into obedience or killed all opposition

just one example: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestin...

and on topic of how hospitals in gaza used, from same article: " Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient’s clinic within the grounds of Gaza City’s main al-Shifa hospital."