Genocide generally means to try and eliminate a group. It’s not about the total quantity of people killed. When the US went to war with Nazi Germany, they weren’t committing a genocide on Germans or genocide against Japanese people when they attacked Japan.

The Warsaw Ghetto specifically targeted Jews and not other Polish people. Kosovo/Bosnia sought to create ethnically pure territories.

You can’t start a war from a homogenous country on a country that will crush you militarily, start losing brutally, refuse to surrender or give up, continue to fight, and then hide behind the word genocide as though the other country doesn’t have the right to continue fighting until you lose.

Does the other country have the right to wantonly flout international law and the social conventions it claims to be a standard bearer for at every turn while doing so?

Israel has no perfectly moral solution to hamas in gaza. they chose to err on the side of making sure october 7 never happens again. I don’t blame them for that.

Maybe they should have erred on the size of not doing everything they could to ensure Hamas' birth and continued existence.

They probably played a dangerous game in the past with hamas, indeed. Much like the US with the iranian mollah, or with the taliban in afghanistan.

Yet, now that they've decided to stop this game and finally deal with hamas once and for all, i'm certainly not going to blame them.

Isn't the moral solution be to surrender and go back home to Europe where they came from instead of trying to invade Palestine to steal their land?

European Jews do not have the right to steal Palestinian land.

Why can't Israel simply surrender and admit defeat in the war that they started? They never got the Palestinians to surrender. I don't see any signed surrender documents? Israelis have always existed in a war zone of their own creation, with every home required to have a bomb shelter.

Right now it appears that Israel is headed towards defeat, with more nations recognizing the existence of Palestine.

You don't seem to know a lot about the history of jews and israelis... They have nowhere else to go.

Jews have spent 2000 years running away from people who wanted to kill them, and now they've decided to stop.

most of the jews in israel are sephardic, theyre from the middle east and were kicked out by racist regimes so they fled to israel. The mindset you are espousing about palestinians not surrendering will end very badly for the palestinians. They can not win a war against israel, the more they fight the worse things get for them. Pushing them to fight more only does them a disservice.

Recognition of Palestine is an empty gesture that does nothing for Palestinians. The commitments from European nations and Canada are based on promises from a corrupt body. Read a book about the history of the region and you'll see that such promises mean nothing, no matter who makes them - European powers or Arab governments.

Current promises are more about domestic politics than anything else.

Comparing US war against Nazi Germany with war crimes Israel is now committing in Gaza is kind of dumb. You don't really know what you're talking about -- genocide is by definition mass slaughter of people based on their ethnic origin and this is exactly what is happening in Gaza now.

> Genocide generally means to try and eliminate a group. It’s not about the total quantity of people killed.

To be exact, it's an effort to destroy a group as a whole, or a _part_ of it:

"The 1948 Genocide Convention defines genocide as any of five 'acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group'".

https://web.archive.org/web/20230927024940/https://www.un.or... (Legal definition of genocide by United Nations)

You can commit genocide even if you don't intend to eliminate the whole group as it was the case with Nazi Germany 'final solution' or 'Vernichtung' policies towards the Jews. Nanjing Massacre by Japanese is a textbook example of genocide, but the Japanese didn't intend to eliminate the Chinese population as a whole - they targeted a part of it and it is still genocide.

Out of 2 million population of Gaza Strip 62,000 were already killed, of these 80% civilians and 30% children (18,500 children!). Add to this intentional starving of Gaza, banning and murdering journalists. If this doesn't conform to the definition of genocide then I don't know what does.

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the legal definition is so broad, it’s just dumb. Someone giving a punch in a bar fills their definition, if you take it in its extensive meaning.

This is quite literally the opposite of what legal scholars maintain: that the definition is so particular as to allow perpetrators to escape culpability, as in the case of Srebenica.