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Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by dlachausse on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:10PM (#45066728)
> No idea why this thread is so negative (also got flagged while I was typing this?)

Grok is owned by Elon Musk. Anything positive that is even tangentially related to him will be treated negatively by certain people here. Additionally, it is an AI coding tool which is seen as a threat to some people’s livelihoods here. It’s a double whammy, so I’m not surprised by the reaction to it at all.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by cosmicgadget on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:29PM (#45066985)
Elon aside, Grok has its own reputation issues.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by seunosewa on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:35PM (#45067072)
And this model is arguably their least impressive model.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by wongarsu on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:06PM (#45068120)
Mostly by name association. The LLMs named Grok are good LLMs. The twitter bot of the same name, using those models and a custom prompt, has a habit of creating controversy. Usually after somebody modified the system prompt.

I use grok a lot on the web interface (grok.com) and never had any weird incidents. It's a run-of-the-mill SOTA model with good web search and less safety training

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by anukin on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:24PM (#45068314)
How does somebody modify the system prompt over an x message to the chat bot?
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jameshart on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:42PM (#45068512)
I think somebody here refers to a very specific meddling CEO
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by dewey on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:14PM (#45066775)
Claude Code threads are full of excited people so I’m not sure the second part is true.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by supriyo-biswas on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:17PM (#45066818)
If we accept the "broken windows" theory, it'd seem that people love to pile onto a thread that already has negativity.

See also the Microsoft threads on HN where everyone threatens to switch to Linux, and by reading them you'd think Linux is finally about to have its infamous glory year on the desktop.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jchw on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:30PM (#45067006)
People really are trying to switch to Linux right now, but it won't really matter if it doesn't stick, and spoiler alert, for most people it probably won't stick as a daily driver. Still, it's an interesting sort of unplanned experiment to watch.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by avarun on Friday August 29, 2025 @08:47PM (#45070962)
Do you have any evidence of this switch happening en masse?
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jchw on Friday August 29, 2025 @09:13PM (#45071083)
No, I don't, which shouldn't be very surprising since I didn't claim people were switching en masse.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by weaksauce on Friday August 29, 2025 @02:08PM (#45067482)
i’d love to switch to linux as a daily driver but the mac cmd shortcuts for text editing and the general well thought out text editing in the system make macos more compelling. i’d love to switch over for gaming on the windows computer but the lack of performance for comparable specs hurts it. drivers are very important.

ive seen some that change it for copy and paste but i don’t think it works for cmd-left right up down. or option those.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jdiff on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:28PM (#45068347)
The chords are different, but the only functionality missing from the other OSes are predictive text, text expansion, and skipping to the beginning/end of an entire text box. Are those the text editing features you're referring to or am I missing out on something more?
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by weaksauce on Friday August 29, 2025 @09:59PM (#45071286)
beginning and end of a textbox is huge. cmd basically acts as a home end key in windows. opt acts like word wise. there is another big difference is that cmd+up/down goes to the beginning or end of a window. there’s also the emacs bindings built into every standard text input area too. there’s more and a lot of nuance that i’m surely not describing well but those functions are top notch.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by macawfish on Friday August 29, 2025 @02:37PM (#45067802)
Anthropic lives up to their name, so far
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by fortyseven on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:30PM (#45067004)
It's kind of fascinating that other "certain people" are so casually dismissive of what a piece of trash Musk is. There is no universe where any money or attention that I have available would going to him or any of his endeavors. I don't care if his latest model is giving away free blowjobs, it's still being boosted and financed by a morally bankrupt man-child who, in case you forgot, was complicit in doing serious damage to this country.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by leobg on Friday August 29, 2025 @02:54PM (#45067987)
Calling another person “a piece of trash” is, in my country, a criminal offense. It is also the hallmark of what you call “moral bankruptcy”, and of being a man-child.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by typpilol on Friday August 29, 2025 @04:01PM (#45068733)
That makes your country a piece of trash them
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by lovich on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:13PM (#45068184)
> Calling another person “a piece of trash” is, in my country, a criminal offense. It is also the hallmark of what you call “moral bankruptcy”, and of being a man-child.

Musk better not visit your country then since he routinely calls people worse, with no or contrary evidence

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by typpilol on Friday August 29, 2025 @04:01PM (#45068738)
In what country is that a criminal offense lmao?
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by Larrikin on Friday August 29, 2025 @05:25PM (#45069568)
Which country?
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by cebert on Friday August 29, 2025 @02:25PM (#45067681)
What “serious damage” do you believe Elon did?
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jameshart on Friday August 29, 2025 @02:38PM (#45067814)
The US seems to no longer have an overseas aid program. The Institute of Peace got shut down. Data protections at the social security administration were breached. https://time.com/7312556/doge-social-security-data-whistlebl...

Oh, and some asshole threw a couple of Nazi salutes at the president’s inauguration.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by dlachausse on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:58PM (#45068688)
US AID and the Institute of Peace were CIA fronts. Good riddance to them.

https://www.theblaze.com/columns/opinion/cias-secret-grip-on...

Also, watch the "Nazi salutes" clip in its entirety from a non-biased source. He is excited that Trump won and is awkwardly gesturing while saying "my heart goes out to you" in celebration and thanks to the voters. Even the ADL said it wasn't a Nazi salute.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5097676-elon-mus...

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jameshart on Friday August 29, 2025 @04:03PM (#45068761)
every part of the US government has been used as a front for clandestine activity. USAID also actually carried out an overseas aid mission.

It hasn’t been replaced with a non-CIA-fronting overseas aid department.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by dlachausse on Friday August 29, 2025 @05:13PM (#45069445)
It carried out just enough of an aid mission to run cover for CIA activities. As an example it nominally supported farmers in Afghanistan, except the "farmers" were opium producers.

USAID was shut down on July 1st. Somehow people have survived without it for nearly 2 months. It just goes to show you how critical the "aid" it provided was.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jameshart on Friday August 29, 2025 @05:27PM (#45069590)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S258953702...

Estimated impacts, to be sure, will take time for actual studies. But the activities USAID was responsible for were far more than just ‘the bare minimum’ to provide cover.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by synecdoche on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:55PM (#45068650)
Institute of Peace you say? It couldn't sound more like double speak could it? Similar to the DDR.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jameshart on Friday August 29, 2025 @04:02PM (#45068751)
What kind of an argument is that? ‘That’s just the sort of name they would choose if they were trying to cover up that they are evil!’

Yes - it’s also the kind of name they would choose if they were an institute dedicated to diplomacy.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by dlachausse on Friday August 29, 2025 @04:33PM (#45069075)
In this case it really is Orwellian double speak. They were a CIA front that was used to support their regime change operations.

War is Peace indeed.

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Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by Fidelix on Friday August 29, 2025 @01:34PM (#45067055)
It would probably beneficial for you to distinguish an is from an ought.

The OP was descriptive, not prescriptive.

Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jjangkke on Friday August 29, 2025 @03:38PM (#45068461)
How strange, you've logged in after 30+ days just to post this comment
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jacquesm on Friday August 29, 2025 @08:55PM (#45071002)
How strange, your account is only twice as old.
Re:Grok Code Fast 1 by jjangkke on Tuesday September 02, 2025 @12:41PM (#45105530)

      Screw Elon Musk and the horse he rode in on. There is
      no way I'm going to give that character my content or
      collaborate in anything he owns or has a stake in. 

      Still looking for an alternative. 
LOL