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Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by juujian on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:41AM (#45028083)
You knew the question was coming. ThinkPad style trackpoint keyboard!
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by christiangenco on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:53AM (#45028257)
Hah, I'm curious if this is legally possible. I've never seen that on any non-ThinkPad laptop.
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by noooooooph on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:56AM (#45028305)
I recall Dell had laptops in the past at some point that had blue trackpoint-like nubs
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by codr7 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @01:19PM (#45029538)
And they were complete trash in comparison to the ones on ThinkPads imo.
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by tracker1 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @01:44PM (#45029860)
I don't think more modern ThinkPads are much better... they have a shorter keyboard depth than the earlier models and the feel overall is significantly reduced... I understand as most people don't generally want a "thick" notebook.
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by codr7 on Friday August 29, 2025 @09:15AM (#45063714)
I agree, they used to be a lot better.

The beefier business line models are still decent though.

Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by soperj on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:59AM (#45028357)
I used a toshiba that only had the nub and no trackpad previously.
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @11:55AM (#45028298)
I have multiple Dell laptops that have a mouse nub in the middle of the keyboard
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by jerlam on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:04PM (#45028420)
I've used it on a Dell laptop too, but it was far inferior to the Trackpoint. I think IBM/Lenovo had a patent on the specific technology but it might be expired now.
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by bluGill on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:46PM (#45029075)
The track point dates to the 1990's at least so at least the main patents have expired. I have no clue about advances they might have made
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by neilv on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:20PM (#45028652)
A TrackPoint-like "pointy stick" has been on some other major brands:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick#Naming_and_bran...

Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by jfvinueza on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:33PM (#45028873)
the HHKB studio has a trackpoint as well
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by beAbU on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @04:18PM (#45031816)
Many dells and HPs come with track points
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by nrp on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:26PM (#45028748)
We actually go into this in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUBqtgODM
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by starkparker on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:50PM (#45029137)
Specifically 11:04: https://youtu.be/0RzUBqtgODM?t=664

> Something that we hear over and over again across our entire product lineup is that people want pointing sticks. You might know it as trackpoint from other brands. The little nubs that you can use as a mouse. Obviously, if you're a ThinkPad user, former ThinkPad user, that might be something that you're very familiar and comfortable with. And so, it is something that actually on all of our products several times over the last 5 years, we have tried to prototype and make work. The big challenge on this actually is just that there's very, very little space here. That the Zstack here is incredibly thin.

> And for a keyboard, it works because the keys are compliant. If there's force that's put on the lid, like let's say you're got your laptop in a backpack with a book or something, it's just being pressed on like that, the screen is going to touch the keys and the keys are going to give way because they're just on these uh on these scissor mechanisms and the screen will be okay and you may get a little smudge you have to wipe off. You've got like finger grease on there.

> A pointing stick though is not compliant. Not compliant in that way. So, you've got this like sharp point basically sticking out from the keyboard. And if there's pressure placed on the lid, that's going to go right onto that point on the tracking stick and end up damaging screen or have a high likelihood of damaging the screen.

> And so, we've just kept over and over, we've kept trying this and seeing if we could get a low enough profile pointing stick solution to make that work, not risk the screen at all. And so far, that doesn't exist. That is something that we keep going into the supply base to try to find.

> Hopefully we that is something we find in the future because of course with this input module system on framework laptop 16, it would end up being relatively straightforward for us to just make an input module a keyboard that you can swap in that's got that pointing stick unlike uh you know even our other laptops where you'd have to have an entirely new input cover to get that kind of functionality.

Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by hnuser123456 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @01:19PM (#45029537)
Most laptops have rubber bumpers around the screen to create a small airgap when the screen is closed, and even if you stack several laptops on top of each other, the bottom one's screen won't flex enough to touch the keyboard. Maybe with the more rigid lid, they can enable this?
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by tracker1 on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @01:43PM (#45029844)
Given the longevity goals with their modular designs, I'm guessing they're unlikely to make dramatic changes to their overall design in less than 5-7 years time from initial release. Such a screen change would likely require new hinge design as well as a thicker display casing, not to mention the risk of someone putting the trackpoint keyboard in a model that doesn't have the thicker display section.

I am thinking that something with a nub on a 2-axis slider as opposed to rocker switches could be an option, but that would potentially have drift issues. Not to mention the Framework keyboards themselves are probably mostly a COTS solution, where something like I'm thinking would require custom R&D an likely be limited release. If Framework, Dell and Lenovo could work together, they could probably come up with a good solution... though Lenovo likes the Fn button in the corner, where most others prefer Ctrl then Fn.

Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by zem on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:28PM (#45028798)
I used to like those but they started giving me rsi
Re:Framework Laptop 16. Upgraded! by manuhabitela on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @03:27PM (#45031086)
Yeah, nowadays the trackpoint is just a bad pointing device. As laptops get slimmer, trackpoints get less precise and less usable. And they hurt our wrists.

We just have to let go. A haptic trackpad is miles better now.