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Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by btucker on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:03PM (#44977381)
I've been starting to think of it like this:

Great Engineer + AI = Great Engineer++ (Where a great engineer isn't just someone who is a great coder, they also are a great communicator & collaborator, and love to learn)

Good Engineer + AI = Good Engineer

OK Engineer + AI = Mediocre Engineer

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by biophysboy on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:15PM (#44977511)
I sort of think of it in terms of self-deskilling.

If an OK engineer is still actively trying to learn, making mistakes, memorizing essentials, etc. then there is no issue.

On the other hand, if they're surrendering 100% of their judgment to AI, then they will be mediocre.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by QuercusMax on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:25PM (#44977632)
The same people who just copy-pasted stack overflow answers and didn't understand why or how things work are now using AI to create stuff that they also don't understand.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by biophysboy on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:30PM (#44977679)
And for low-stakes one-time hobby projects, they're correct to do so!
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by rerdavies on Friday August 22, 2025 @11:22AM (#44985726)
lol. I am SO glad I don't have to go to StackExchange anymore. There is something toxically awful about using advice from a thread that starts with "Why doesn't my code work?".
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by aydyn on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:10PM (#44977446)
Is there a difference between "OK" and "Mediocre"?
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by BolexNOLA on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:22PM (#44977590)
“Ok” I generally associate with being adequate but could obviously be better. “Mediocre” is just inadequate.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by Marsymars on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:35PM (#44980487)
“Mediocre” is one of those words where common parlance doesn’t quite line up with the textbook definition. e.g. from the Oxford English Dictionary: “Of middling quality; neither bad nor good...”
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by furyofantares on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:47PM (#44980544)
Some synonyms for mediocre: decent, middling, ordinary, so-so. It can mean inadequate, but it can also mean adequate.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by BolexNOLA on Friday August 22, 2025 @08:22AM (#44983645)
I’m just talking about how I view/use it.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by rerdavies on Friday August 22, 2025 @11:24AM (#44985751)
Another common synonym for mediocre: has no place on a software development team. Not technically correct, admittedly, but that's how I read that word in an software engineering context. Adequate is not good enough.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by btucker on Thursday August 21, 2025 @09:16PM (#44980102)
I probably should have written it as “OK Engineer--“
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by QuercusMax on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:23PM (#44977612)
I recently watched a mid-level engineer use AI to summarize some our code, and he had it put together a big document describing all the various methods in a file, what they're used for, and so forth. It looked to me like a huge waste of time, as the code itself was already very readable (I say this as someone who recently joined the project), and the "documentation" the AI spit out wasn't that different than what you'd get just by running pydoc.

He took a couple days doing this, which was shocking to me. Such a waste of time that would have been better spent reading the code and improving any missing documentation - and most importantly asking teammates about necessary context that couldn't just be inferred from the code.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by stocksinsmocks on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:15PM (#44980387)
I hate to break it to you, but this guy probably wasn’t working at all. That sounds like a pretense to goof off.

Now I could believe an intern would do such a thing. I’ve seen a structural engineer intern spend four weeks creating a finite element model of a single concrete vault. he could have treated the top deck as a concrete beam used conservative assumptions about the loading and solved it with pen and paper in 30 minutes.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by QuercusMax on Friday August 22, 2025 @06:06PM (#44990428)
Well, said engineer is no longer working at my company. He wasn't exactly the best developer...
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by geodel on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:26PM (#44977642)
Not Engineer + AI = Now an Engineer

Thats the reason for high valuation of AI companies.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by ToucanLoucan on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:30PM (#44977677)
Of all the things I would absolutely not trust the stock market to evaluate, "technical competence" is either near or at the top.

The people deciding how much OpenAI is worth would probably struggle to run first-time setup on an iPad.

Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by geodel on Thursday August 21, 2025 @09:58PM (#44980302)
I agree. Seems like people took my comment above as my opinion. It was supposed to be argument of Linkedin type AI hype generators.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by kentm on Thursday August 21, 2025 @11:27PM (#44980745)
It seemed like a normative statement, to be honest, so I misunderstood your point.
Re:AI tooling must be disclosed for contributions by phyzome on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:11PM (#44980364)
"Engineer" and "someone who can produce code" are not the same thing.