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Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by dvh on Sunday August 17, 2025 @03:42AM (#44929704)
I tried using the article suggested randomness and inevitability to come up with completely new joke, this is what I came up with, tell me how'd I do (no llm involved):

- I asked Jimmy to tell me a random number

- Yeah? And what did he tell you?

- He told me one

Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by yetihehe on Sunday August 17, 2025 @03:55AM (#44929753)
I think it's funny, but I like abstract jokes that most people don't like, so expect mixed opinions on this.
Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by briffid on Sunday August 17, 2025 @03:58AM (#44929771)
Why is that in English speaking world a joke is almost always a pun?
Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by yesbabyyes on Sunday August 17, 2025 @04:12AM (#44929848)
It would be trivial to change the joke, keep the setup and get a similar effect without a pun.

I asked for one random number

And?

He told me two

I like the joke

Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by ksynwa on Sunday August 17, 2025 @04:24AM (#44929895)
Isn't this a pun too? It could mean that he gave you two random numbers or two as the random number.
Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by Disposal8433 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @04:32AM (#44929938)
It could also be some bias on what we read or hear around us. But I agree that it's unsettling because in French we almost never make puns as "jokes." French puns have always a component of "higher literacy" that is not what we want in a joke.
Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by GuB-42 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @11:26AM (#44932288)
Most quick jokes in French are puns in some way, including the famous "blagues Carambar".

For those who don't know, Carambar is a brand of candy where the wrapper contains a joke. Always regarded a terrible, we love them anyways. Similar to dad jokes in English.

The longer the joke, the less it tends to rely on puns. You don't hear puns very often in stand up comedy for instance.

Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by shagie on Sunday August 17, 2025 @01:41PM (#44933370)
https://everything2.com/title/Sir+Sufud+and+the+bear

Ages ago, there was a land that was plagued by a terrible bear with a perchance for beating up various small animals that happened to be in the area. This wouldn't be too bad, except that this was in the area with lots of sheep. Now, the sheep themselves weren't in danger, it was the sheep dogs that were threatened.

... (several paragraphs later)

The shepherds, upon hearing the great roar and crash from the cave quickly ran to the place to see a knight sprawled against a tree and a bear underneath it. The dog the bear had been bringing back, however, was alive and well and quite happy to see people again. And so, feeling quite bad for the family of the knight, the shepherds went to the king and offered family of Sir Sufud the dog he had saved from the bear.

Nothing helps the mourning after a terrible knight like the dog of a bear that hit you.

Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by bawolff on Sunday August 17, 2025 @04:49AM (#44929997)
In terms of forums, i think pun jokes work well in text, where most other types of jokes depend a lot more on delivery.
Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by wolfi1 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @03:48AM (#44929734)
+1 for effort (or lack thereof)
Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by aabhay on Sunday August 17, 2025 @03:54AM (#44929751)
He told me 2 (fuck off)
Re:LLMs tell bad jokes because they avoid surprises by littlestymaar on Sunday August 17, 2025 @04:28AM (#44929918)