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Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by tonydav on Saturday August 16, 2025 @04:26AM (#44921376)
If the EU really wanted an agreement, there would have been an agreement.

Put tarrifs on all trade with non compliant nations and their partners.

It's not just the oil states, it's almost all of them.

Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by jasonsb on Saturday August 16, 2025 @05:28AM (#44921710)
This is the correct answer. It's really sad to see that the west is just a propaganda machine. We don't need the oil states to end plastic or whatnot in our countries. But we sure love to point fingers at various nations in search of a scapegoat.
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by elric on Saturday August 16, 2025 @07:33AM (#44922322)
European petrochemical industry is actively expanding its plastic production.
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by Ygg2 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @04:35AM (#44921425)
Seeing China criticize Gulf states for torpedoing the agreement is sure something.
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by fakedang on Saturday August 16, 2025 @05:08PM (#44926947)
China is de-oiling at a rapid pace and wants to lead the world in renewables infrastructure production. Which will mean eventually butting heads with the oil producers (which also includes the US). China is also getting cheap Russian oil, and the Gulf states have proven to be unreliable allies for them.
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by Ygg2 on Sunday August 17, 2025 @05:59AM (#44930362)
It's the biggest plastic producer complaining about plastic input (oil) sabotaging a plastic deal.

I can sen China dumping oil for power generation but there is no way they will switch plastics production on a dime.

Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by fakedang on Sunday August 17, 2025 @03:21PM (#44934132)
China doesn't produce plastic as is. They produce plastic products, after buying the plastic from oil producers. The largest plastic raw materials producer is SABIC, a Saudi company.

There are currently no viable alternatives for humanity to replace plastics in daily use while still maintaining the low cost of those products. Unless humanity opts for more expensive material to subvert plastic consumption, plastic is going to be used regardless.

And China is simply feeding that demand in Western countries with those goods, because those countries want those goods for cheap.

Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by thrown-0825 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @05:33AM (#44921737)
EU only cares to the degree that is necessary to virtue signal to its citizens.

They are still buying natural gas from Russia at record levels lmao.

Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by Elextric on Saturday August 16, 2025 @07:35AM (#44922332)
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by martimarkov on Saturday August 16, 2025 @07:12AM (#44922219)
It never said it will stop right away. It put a target and the process is called phasing out. The same way you migrate away from AWS. You don’t just stop your platform you move over while still using some AWS services.
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by cedws on Saturday August 16, 2025 @07:31AM (#44922312)
Phase out buying directly and buy via India instead. Europe is a joke, we have completely failed Ukraine.
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by thrown-0825 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @07:18AM (#44922249)
You do when that platform invades a sovereign nation, murders its people, and traffics its children.
Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by FranzFerdiNaN on Saturday August 16, 2025 @07:16AM (#44922244)
Too easy. Unfortunately it takes forever to decouple, but that doesn’t mean steps aren’t being taken.

And yes, we’re all stuck under capitalism so anything that really threatens the profitability of companies will be opposed as much as possible. Combine that with geopolitical events like Americans being the dumbest people possible who elect an openly corrupt authoritarian not once but twice and everything becomes even harder.

Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by thrown-0825 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @07:21AM (#44922265)
LNG imports have dramatically increased since the invasion started.

Americans are their own captors, fuck them. Using them as a excuse for EU cowardice is not convincing.

Re:Once Again, Oil States Thwart Agreement on Plastics by hadrien01 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @09:08AM (#44923072)
False:

> Europe’s LNG imports declined by 19% in 2024. The continent’s gas consumption fell by 20% between 2021 and 2024 thanks to renewables deployment and demand reduction policies.

https://ieefa.org/european-lng-tracker