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Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by davidw on Friday August 08, 2025 @03:34PM (#44840797)
I have been enjoying Paul Krugman's writing, now that he's free from the shackles of the New York "both sides!" Times

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/its-beginning-to-smell-a-...

He's obviously got a political angle, but doesn't let that completely color his economic analysis.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by thankyoufriend on Friday August 08, 2025 @04:00PM (#44841054)
Economics is political.
Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by dragonwriter on Friday August 08, 2025 @04:03PM (#44841093)
Politics and economics are two different lenses on the same subject matter, because “wealth” and “power over others” are two different ways of saying the same thing.

This is also why capitalism and democracy become progressively more clearly opposed the farther the status quo environment you are working in gets from feudalism or absolute monarchy, under which both seem to be changes in the same direction.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by Jensson on Saturday August 09, 2025 @03:42AM (#44844775)
> This is also why capitalism and democracy become progressively more clearly opposed

You mean linked? Capitalism is what lets the people make economic decisions, democracy is what lets people make political decisions. I think you mean communisms where people can't make economic decisions is what's oppose democracy.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by dragonwriter on Saturday August 09, 2025 @03:37PM (#44849437)
> You mean linked?

No, I meant exactly what I said.

> Capitalism is what lets the people make economic decisions

No, it isn't. Capitalism is the organization of power around a narrow elite defined by the ownership of the non-financial means of production, the feature for which it was named. It was (at least initially) progress in the direction of democracy from control of the same thing being in even narrower hands than the early mercantile class defined by ownership of land under systems like feudalism, to be sure.

But, still, ultimately it conflicts with the equal distribution of power defining democracy.

They are rationalized as consistent by pretending that economic and political power are different things, rather than different applications of the same, undivided, power.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by davidw on Friday August 08, 2025 @04:29PM (#44841384)
Sure, but my point is that there are people that reason like "such and such an elected official is bad, therefore everything they do is bad and will have drastic results", and that's not particularly informative even when I agree about the elected official being bad.

Krugman does a decent job of not letting his opinions about the political aspects color his analysis too much.

Things like

"Contrary to what many people believe, tariffs don’t necessarily lead to high unemployment. America had a high average tariff even before Smoot-Hawley — 15.8 percent in 1929 — but the unemployment rate in 1929 was under 3 percent."

He doesn't like the tariffs, he (and pretty much any serious economists) think they're bad, but he tries to be clear about why they're bad rather than just waving his hands at everything.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by ecshafer on Friday August 08, 2025 @03:57PM (#44841028)
New York “both sides” Times? There are only a few papers less suited for that monicker.
Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by savanaly on Friday August 08, 2025 @04:06PM (#44841128)
The fact that he left the NYT because it wasn't letting him be partisan enough cracked me up so hard.
Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by 75345d4c on Friday August 08, 2025 @03:43PM (#44840895)
If the political angle is not relevant to the analysis, then why do you enjoy it?
Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by motorest on Friday August 08, 2025 @04:12PM (#44841182)
> If the political angle is not relevant to the analysis, then why do you enjoy it?

The politics angle is unavoidable because Krugman is commenting on the impact that the economic policies of the current US administration is having on the US economy.

This is the same US administration that fires staticians for reporting numbers that render bare the impact of their own economic policies, which they are actively trying to censor.

We live in a day and age where in the US reporting facts leads to political persecution. Of course mentioning stagflation, as Krugman does, is deemed political.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by lovich on Friday August 08, 2025 @04:00PM (#44841053)
Some people enjoy things that others do not
Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by wasabi991011 on Friday August 08, 2025 @04:23PM (#44841319)
As thankyoufriend said, "economics is political".

Personally, I would feel like a discussion about economics that completely avoids politics would be missing something, and I would enjoy it a lot less.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by specialist on Friday August 08, 2025 @05:02PM (#44841657)
Krugman's not partisan.

Politics, people, policy, platforms, party, positions, and partisanship are adjacent, but remain distinct.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by rufus_foreman on Friday August 08, 2025 @06:07PM (#44842189)
On election night when Trump was elected in 2016, Krugman wrote in the NYT that the markets would never recover, and that there would probably be "a global recession, with no end in sight".

He definitely lets his political angle completely color his economic analysis. Now that Trump is back in the White House we are of course doomed, same as the last time he was in the White House, same as the next time.

If you've got a political angle that is closer to Krugman's than say Trump's maybe this is fine? I mean as long as you're OK with an economic analyst who doesn't have the slightest idea how banks work. If that's the kind of writing you're looking for, Krugman is a very good choice.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by karmakurtisaani on Saturday August 09, 2025 @02:49AM (#44844575)
> Krugman wrote in the NYT that the markets would never recover, and that there would probably be "a global recession, with no end in sight".

I think this needs some context. Remember that in 2016 we didn't know how Trumps rhetoric works and how seriously he will push his agendas. Now we know about TACO and how he was held back by the adults in the room. How would you feel about the future if you thought the POTUS will annex Greenland and Canada, and impose tariffs of 100-200% globally?

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by rufus_foreman on Saturday August 09, 2025 @05:33PM (#44850471)
>> How would you feel about the future if you thought the POTUS will annex Greenland and Canada, and impose tariffs of 100-200% globally?

I would keep the exact same asset allocation that I have now.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by tobias3 on Saturday August 09, 2025 @05:53PM (#44850625)
He quickly retracted that call back then https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/the-long-haul/
Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by RickJWagner on Saturday August 09, 2025 @08:12AM (#44845916)
Krugman is great if you want confirmation of your left-side ideas.

But he’s terrible if you want criticisms of left-side ideas, or if you want to hear about right-side policies that are working well.

To me, that’s of very limited utility.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by Smoosh on Saturday August 09, 2025 @06:55PM (#44851131)
Perhaps “Reality has a well-known liberal bias” ?
Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by pstuart on Saturday August 09, 2025 @11:26PM (#44852544)
Out economy is now in the hands of an entitled narcissist with clear cognitive decline, surrounded only by enablers. Policy is determined by personal aggrandizement, greed, and vendettas. It's fucking crazy and to pretend otherwise is fucking crazy.

Judging policy solely by the their promoter would normally be wrong (book by its cover, eh?), but these days there's been some consistency in the quality (and lack of same) by various groups so challenging them out of the gate isn't unreasonable.

Re:Job growth has slowed sharply; the question is why by throw0101d on Sunday August 10, 2025 @01:44PM (#44856862)
> But he’s terrible if you want criticisms of left-side ideas, or if you want to hear about right-side policies that are working well.

MMT is left-side, and he's highly critical of it. Not a fan of rent control, a favourite of many left-leaning folks.

What right-side policies—especially perhaps ones that are being pursed by Trump / Project 2025—are working well?