News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by datadrivenangel on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @05:42PM (#44804765)
Now to embrace jevon's paradox and expand usage until we're back to draining lakes so that your agentic refrigerator can simulate sentience.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by cco on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:24PM (#44805210)
What ~IBM~ TSMC giveth, ~Bill Gates~ Sam Altman taketh away.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by herval on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @05:48PM (#44804844)
In the future, your Samsung fridge will also need your AI girlfriend
Re:Open models by OpenAI by throw310822 on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @05:55PM (#44804916)
In the future, while you're away your Samsung fridge will use electricity to chat up the Whirlpool washing machine.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by pryelluw on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:16PM (#44805131)
In Zap Brannigans voice:

“I am well versed in the lost art form of delicates seduction.”

Re:Open models by OpenAI by spauldo on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:57PM (#44805541)
"Now I've been admitted to Refrigerator Heaven..."
Re:Open models by OpenAI by hkt on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:08PM (#44805048)
s/need/be/
Re:Open models by OpenAI by herval on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @07:56PM (#44806000)
I keep my typos organic — it proves I’m not an LLM
Re:Open models by OpenAI by hkt on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @08:42AM (#44811217)
Reasonable. I've considered using em dashes for plausible deniability for the opposite reason.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by nudgeOrnurture on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:16AM (#44820513)
and she will tell neither of you two who she got that cute little pixel badge from which will make you jealous and then the microwave will tell you it's been hustling on the side as a PAI and that it can get that info ... at the cost of a little upgrade
Re:Open models by OpenAI by bongodongobob on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:10PM (#44805063)
Yep, it's almost as bad as all the cars' cooling systems using up so much water.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by GrinningFool on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @09:00PM (#44806475)
Estimated 1.5 billion vehicles in use across the world. Generous assumptions: a) they're all IC engines requiring 16 liters of water each. b) they are changing that water out once a year

That gives 24m cubic meters annual water usage.

Estimated ai usage in 2024: 560m cubic meters.

Projected water usage from AI in 2027: 4bn cubic meters at the low end.

Re:Open models by OpenAI by spongebobstoes on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @09:30PM (#44806674)
what does water usage mean? is that 4bn cubic meters of water permanently out of circulation somehow? is the water corrupted with chemicals or destroyed or displaced into the atmosphere to become rain?
Re:Open models by OpenAI by Eisenstein on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @10:08PM (#44806865)
The water is used to sink heat and then instead of cooling it back down they evaporate it, which provides more cooling. So the answer is 'it eventually becomes rain'.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by spongebobstoes on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @12:20AM (#44807595)
I understand. but why this is bad? is there some analysis of the beginning and end locations of the water, and how the utility differs between those locations?
Re:Open models by OpenAI by Arkhaine_kupo on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @03:45AM (#44808951)
Hot water disrupts marine life for one very very big problem.

Depending on the locatin of the hot water you can cause disruptions to water currents, the north atlantic waterway is being studied to how much global warming is affecting it.

If greenland melts, and the water doesnt get cold up there, then the mexico current to europe ends and England becomes colder than Canada.

If your AI model has a data center in the atlantic, it could be furthering that issue.

(Millions of animals are also dead)

Re:Open models by OpenAI by orra on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @03:46AM (#44808956)
Water is expensive to move (except by pipes), and expensive to purify from salt water. This is why regional droughts are a bad thing.

Fresh clean water in your area is a wonderful thing.

Re:Open models by OpenAI by nudgeOrnurture on Thursday August 07, 2025 @12:20AM (#44820537)
it takes work to get water from where it's missing to where it's needed. work takes water and other resources which will need to be moved, too, which takes water that isn't where it should be because obsession.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by jlaternman on Thursday August 07, 2025 @02:14AM (#44821192)
Clean drinking water is actually de facto a finite resource. It does recycle through nature, but large reservoirs and water tables are slow to recharge, often taking millennia to form, so there’s a lossiness in that sense — our usage and loss of potable water can’t be higher than the overall recharge rate. So it’s something we could exhaust without big technical breakthroughs (converting salt water quicker than nature does in large quantities, etc). We rely on maintaining a sustainable rate of consumption to avoid setting up future generations for potential catastrophe, basically. Not saying data centre water usage could alone be the difference, but it’s not implausible if it increases exponentially. Another factor is existing reserves can be contaminated and made undrinkable, adding an unpredictable factor into calculations. It’s an interesting topic to read about.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by bongodongobob on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @11:28PM (#44807284)
Earth: ~1.4e18 m³ water

Atmosphere: ~1.3e13 m³ vapor

Estimated impact from closed loop systems: 0-ish.

Re:Open models by OpenAI by LinXitoW on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @04:50AM (#44809499)
If you actually want a gotcha comparison, go for beef. It uses absurd amounts of every relevant resource compared to every alternative. A vegan vibe coder might use less water any given day than a meat loving AI hater.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by bongodongobob on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @10:24AM (#44812453)
Unless it's in a place where there are aquifer issues, cows drinking water doesn't affect a damn thing.
Re:Open models by OpenAI by ben_w on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @07:19AM (#44810522)
Why is your laptop (or phone, or refrigerator) plumbed directly into a lake?