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Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by stronglikedan on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @02:52PM (#44802519)
> Many people (will only speak to America), view being fat as a literal moral failing. Gluttony or overeating are not the sin, but being fat.

As an American with a sister with thyroid issues, I can say that is absolutely not true for the majority of Americans. People are mostly sympathetic to those who are not obvious slobs.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by guizadillas on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:04PM (#44802710)
How would you even know the cause of obesity of a stranger? This is why viewing being fat as a moral failing is mistake regardless of the cause. I'm pretty sure a lot of people view your sister the same way just because they have no idea she has thyroid issues
Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by drowsspa on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:03PM (#44802698)
People are mostly sympathetic when it's physical issues. Psychological issues are treated as diseases of the soul that you only need God or willpower or whatever to fix. And most fat people are fat because of the incentives in our society, but admitting that also goes against certain political ideologies...
Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by jfim on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:22PM (#44802966)
What are the incentives for people to be fat, out of curiosity? Do you mean farm subsidies for corn, for example?
Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by const_cast on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:49PM (#44803357)
At a low level, yes, corn, but at a high level: more consumption = more money.

Everyone benefits from you being fat. Your doctors, your car manufacturer, food manufacturers, everyone. Except maybe health insurance. But they're not hurt too too much.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by criddell on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @04:09PM (#44803599)
Health insurance is helped too. Insurance is regulated and insurers can only hold on to some percentage of the premium. I think it's something like 20%. That 20% has to cover their costs and is the source of their profits.

The other 80% must be paid to healthcare providers.

This means that if health insurance companies want to make more profit, they have to increase premiums so their 20% cut grows and they can only do that by increasing healthcare spending.

Well, there are other ways. For example, Aetna owns CVS, UnitedHealth owns OptumRx, Humana owns Humana Pharmacy, and so on. They get to pay themselves to provide healthcare. This provides a big incentive for insurance companies to want drug prices to increase. They can raise premiums and collect profit on filling those expensive prescriptions.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by XorNot on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:51PM (#44805471)
There is no doctor on Earth who goes to work and thinks "thank god for fat people or I wouldn't have a business".

There's plenty of doctors and surgeons who wish there were less fat people, because they enormously complicate doing surgery on and managing in hospitals.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by const_cast on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @09:02PM (#44806482)
> There is no doctor on Earth who goes to work and thinks "thank god for fat people or I wouldn't have a business".

I agree, but this isn't how incentives work.

Ultimately, there are billions of dollars at play here that rely directly on obesity. The mechanisms of the market and human behavior transcend moral judgement.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by koolba on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @12:01AM (#44807493)
> There is no doctor on Earth who goes to work and thinks "thank god for fat people or I wouldn't have a business".

What about everybody that works in liposuction?

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by KPGv2 on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @09:44AM (#44811938)
You mean the job that makes an irreversible removal of fat from your body? Repeat liposuction is considered unsafe, so you will find very, very few people who want to predate on someone via lipo.

They want to "fix you," too.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by SchemaLoad on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @01:12AM (#44807921)
It's not that there are incentives for you to be fat, but there are incentives for things which happen to cause you to be fat.

The car industry is a huge one. Making people drive everywhere means more car sales, more fuel sales, more infrastructure built for more cars. And it also makes you fat as a side effect.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by jvanderbot on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @03:05PM (#44802715)
With respect, neither of you are qualified to speak for majority of Americans, but given the amount of effort, money, ink, and television dedicated to looking better and losing weight combined with the fact that there's even a thing called fat phobic that even requires definition just to push back on all that...

I think there's sufficient reason to believe that "Overweight = bad" is a common standard that at least people hold themselves to.

Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by blitzar on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @04:02PM (#44803512)
We must live on different timelines. Pre ozempic America was the proudest nation of fat people I have ever encountered (excluding the costal elites of course).
Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by jvanderbot on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @04:17PM (#44803699)
It's weird because I agree with you, but also have to acknowledge that the "pushback against fat phobia" was for some reason a thing.
Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by davorak on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @06:07PM (#44805034)
Third American here, and the push for fat acceptance was so little of my media consumption that it surprised me so many people spent so much time and energy on the topic.
Re:Ozempic Shows Anti-Aging Effects in Trial, Reversing Biol... by cortesoft on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @11:43PM (#44807375)
> People are mostly sympathetic to those who are not obvious slobs.

Maybe once they hear the story, but most people assume every fat person they see is a slob