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Re:Vibe code is legacy code by therein on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @09:10PM (#44741366)
I wouldn't call that stealing. It is a forced refund. A hacker could even justify it to himself that these people were unknowingly paying for a shitty product that was built like Swiss cheese, time to give them a refund. Another plausible one is "this guy shouldn't be allowed to run a website, I can't believe he made money for it, it is going back".

I am not saying it is the most likely case or even ethically justified but it is definitely not a super unlikely one. Anyone who thinks that's an impossible scenario has not been in the hacker's shoes.

Re:Vibe code is legacy code by throwaway422432 on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @09:43PM (#44741540)
Refund or chargeback? The processing fees for a chargeback on every transaction could put him out of business.

He's lucky they didn't find a way to use it for card washing.

Re:Vibe code is legacy code by daveguy on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @10:08PM (#44741675)
It would have had to be refund. The hacker could t initiate a chargeback from knowing the merchant's stripe keys. Seriously doubt it was a competitor. The risks of hiring someone to commit felons against your competitors just isn't worth it. Especially since the vibe coder seems to be bungling things on their own just fine.
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by imtringued on Thursday July 31, 2025 @02:05AM (#44742777)
How about you pay more attention to the story? It's not Visa/MasterCard or the customers that got hacked.
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by motorest on Thursday July 31, 2025 @12:59AM (#44742463)
> I wouldn't call that stealing. It is a forced refund.

If someone took money out of your pocket would you call it stealing? What if they gave it to someone else, like a past employer or your parents or a humanitarian organization?

By the way, you should check a dictionary. The definition of "stealing" is literally taking something away without permission.

Re:Vibe code is legacy code by _Algernon_ on Thursday July 31, 2025 @06:03AM (#44744076)
Being in the possession of a password or key implies having permission to use that key. When generating a key you give everyone with access to that key the permission to use it to perform actions on your account.

Protect your keys.

Re:Vibe code is legacy code by motorest on Thursday July 31, 2025 @06:05AM (#44744089)
> Being in the possession of a password or key implies having permission to use that key.

No, it doesn't.

Re:Vibe code is legacy code by _Algernon_ on Thursday July 31, 2025 @06:48AM (#44744292)
Yes, it does.
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by SecretDreams on Thursday July 31, 2025 @10:15AM (#44745892)
> Being in the possession of a password or key implies having permission to use that key

So if I get your house key I can use your bathroom?

Seriously, what hill are you trying to die on here?

Re:Vibe code is legacy code by exe34 on Thursday July 31, 2025 @01:46PM (#44748136)
Depends - did I hand it out at the street corner?
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by SecretDreams on Thursday July 31, 2025 @02:14PM (#44748437)
Nah, you left it under your door mat.
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by exe34 on Thursday July 31, 2025 @03:12PM (#44749047)
Would insurance cover that?
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by SecretDreams on Thursday July 31, 2025 @03:45PM (#44749346)
Does it matter?
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by exe34 on Thursday July 31, 2025 @04:05PM (#44749550)
Yes.
Re:Vibe code is legacy code by akoboldfrying on Thursday July 31, 2025 @01:46AM (#44742669)
>I wouldn't call that stealing. It is a forced refund.

Can you name an instance of stealing that could not be described as a forced refund?

Re:Vibe code is legacy code by SecretDreams on Thursday July 31, 2025 @10:13AM (#44745868)
> I wouldn't call that stealing. It is a forced refund.

Respectfully, what the hell are you talking about?

Imagine you work 40 hours making an app and I pay you for those 40 hours. A third party comes in and says, I'm forcing a refund here - you lose the money you made, but you get the app you made.

How do you feel about this forced refund?