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Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by Animats on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @02:36PM (#44737928)
That's why capitalism is in trouble. No rival.

Having communism around kept capitalism honest. Without competition, it turned into "Greed is good, greed works". The best years for American workers were the post WWII years, when communism looked like a real threat.

Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by lukebechtel on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @02:50PM (#44738095)
Wow, interesting point. Not sure I totally agree -- but it made me have the amusing thought:

"Maybe we need metacapitalism."

Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by thinkingtoilet on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @03:00PM (#44738208)
I would argue the social-democracies of Europe are exactly what that is. The idea the free market can address so many things better than any other economic model, but maybe ruthless profits shouldn't drive health care.
Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by dumama on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @03:08PM (#44738308)
Agreed. The market needs to be well regulated in order for it to be tuned for human well-being rather than just greed. It's clear that ruthless profits can't be your optimizing function when it comes health care, housing, education, and environment.
Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by dylan604 on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @03:56PM (#44738830)
So, when did communism go away?
Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by kryogen1c on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @02:57PM (#44738172)
>That's why capitalism is in trouble. No rival.

Isn't this an oxymoron? Isn't regulated free market competition a foundational principal of capitalism?

Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by Animats on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @03:18PM (#44738418)
The point I'm making here was well understood in the post-WWII era. Here's the cartoon version: "Meet King Joe".[1] The more serious version, "Despotism".[2] The hard sell version, "How to lose what we have."[3] All of these were produced for industrial companies.

It's worth understanding how this was viewed by the generation that won WWII.

[1] https://archive.org/details/MeetKing1949

[2] https://archive.org/details/Despotis1946

[3] https://archive.org/details/InOurHan1950_3

Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by dzonga on Thursday July 31, 2025 @04:06AM (#44743465)
wow!! thank you for bringing up these videos.

seems also then the american elite lost the way -- engaging in financial engineering rather than actual production.

Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by schmidtleonard on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @03:43PM (#44738686)
Nope. Private capital allocation decisions are the foundation. It is a mistake to mix this with wishful thinking. Anticompetitive incentives and behavior are a natural emergent property on top of the foundation (network effects, platform effects, last mile dynamics, dumping, hell even economies of scale are intrinsically anticompetitive at the same time as they are intrinsically beneficial). Regulation to restore competition amid these natural anticompetitive tendencies can keep them in check and most people would agree this is generally a good idea -- but most people don't make the capital allocation decisions and most people don't learn about the world except through media controlled by people who do, so not only are the regulations 3 stories above the foundational principle, they are doubly insulated from effectively checking the dark forest on the second story by the very nature of the foundation itself.
Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by reverendsteveii on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @03:20PM (#44738434)
capitalists have rivals, but capitalism does not
Re:Every Champion Needs a Rival by lizardking on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @11:33PM (#44742082)
When the rest of the industrial world is destroyed, it turns out to be a pretty good time for your workers.