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Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by konstantinua00 on Thursday July 24, 2025 @10:32PM (#44678908)
> The other devices don't meet the criteria

you got it wrong way around

the CONSUMER criteria is "we want better independent security ON DEVICES WE ALREADY OWN"

complaints like in this thread are symptoms of unfullfilled demand - and they can't be solved by saying "oh gosh, what a stupid demand that doesn't agree with our supply"

Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by cwillu on Thursday July 24, 2025 @11:29PM (#44679305)
Nobody said it was stupid, but you wanting something doesn't make it a requirement for a project with different goals.
Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by homarp on Friday July 25, 2025 @01:52AM (#44679982)
car analogy: I want my gazoline car to have hybrid engine. For free.

vendor: not possible

you: unfulfilled demand

me: the way I see it, you get a product for free if you fulfill certain conditions. If not, you buy these conditions.

Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by Attrecomet on Friday July 25, 2025 @06:50AM (#44681760)
What a bad analogy, acting as if the extra security could only be an all-in.
Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by palata on Friday July 25, 2025 @08:09AM (#44682236)
There are hardware requirements.
Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by konstantinua00 on Saturday July 26, 2025 @07:39PM (#44697780)
there are smaller security options
Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by konstantinua00 on Saturday July 26, 2025 @08:00PM (#44697868)
no, correct analogy would be

vendor: "we present 100% electric car"

we: "that's cool, I always wanted to decrease petrol use. But... can you provide an option for some petrol use? It's called hybrid, iirc?"

vendor: "no, our requirements only support 100% electric car. Hybrid cars use petrol and we can't allow that"

we: "suuure, I get that. But the price of electricity here still hasn't come down, everyone already has personal petrol reserves, and your cars are only provided with batteries from congonese child labor mines. Can we pleeease have the half-way option so that I can use less petrol for e.g. small distance travel, but still using petrol for country-sized movement?"

vendor: "no, we only support 100% electric car. Everything smaller is outside our requirements"

Real economics would've provided competition to fullfill demand - but currently Graphene is the only well-known vendor, so complaints will keep coming

Re:Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build by rambambram on Friday July 25, 2025 @02:09AM (#44680080)
I was going to type something, but upon a second read I see you say 'consumer' instead of 'customer'. Fair enough.