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Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by dreamcompiler on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @06:26PM (#44653711)
> the environmental cost of producing a new electric car is WAY greater than the petrol I’m burning.

The environmental cost of producing an electric car happens once. But driving a car is an ongoing environmental insult. This is an apples/oranges comparison unless you integrate the driving damage over time.

This analysis suggests EVs are overall a win for the environment after 5 years of ownership, assuming your electricity comes from coal. If it comes from hydro or renewable sources, it's more like one year.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-d...

Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by jonplackett on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @07:08PM (#44654058)
Ive driven 5000 miles since I bought the car as a panic purchase at the start of lockdown.

So according to that article it’d take 13.5 years of driving an electric car to pay it back.

You let me know an electric car that lasts 13.5 years and I’ll head on down to the dealership.

Otherwise I will wait out the remaining 8.5 years as best I can

Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by gilbetron on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @07:53PM (#44654289)
Depends on where you are, but I think you have the wrong stats, unless you are in a place where all your electricity is from coal (pretty rare). Otherwise, for an average US mix, you only have to go another 3k miles or so to breakeven.
Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by jonplackett on Wednesday July 23, 2025 @02:43AM (#44656349)
I think we are comparing different things here - I am talking about KEEPING a petrol car vs BUYING an electric car.

The stats from that article are about buying vs buying.

The cost of making a car are huge - something like 20 tonnes of c02. Vs my running cost of about 250kg per year.

If I BUY a new car it will of course be electric. But hopefully dumb. And definitely not a Volvo.

Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by gilbetron on Wednesday July 23, 2025 @07:32PM (#44665196)
Oh, I see. Your 5000 mile car is petrol. FWIW I think the math still works to get a new EV, because it isn't like you are going to toss away the current car, but sell it to someone used. I think. It's tricky to work through.

Plus, I'm pretty sure EVs will easily last 13+ years, although we have few examples, but EVs are way less complex so they should generally last longer. Even batteries seem to be doing great at 10+ years.

Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by 1970-01-01 on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @07:47PM (#44654268)
If you don't agree it's apples and oranges, go buy a 13 year old Leaf for ~$3000. Unless you have a narrow definition of 'lasts' it checks everything you need.
Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by jonplackett on Thursday July 24, 2025 @02:39AM (#44667661)
Unfortunately I have a narrow definition of a car that’s big enough for a family of four, and the leaf is not!
Re:Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience by bryanlarsen on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @08:52PM (#44654633)
> You let me know an electric car that lasts 13.5 years and I’ll head on down to the dealership.

What electric car won't? There are still 2010 Nissan Leafs on the road, and v1 Nissan Leafs had horrible battery lifetimes, lasting less than 100,000 miles. OTOH there are several Tesla's that have gone >500,000 miles on a single battery.