i never saw anybody been against migration of population out of war zone to safety. in case of ukrainian refugees it was widely discussed that people need to get to safety and entire europe helped.
I can't think of any comparable historical example of declaring a people's entire territory a war zone and migrating a substantial/majority of the entire population out. Can you? The reality is they'd be unlikely to ever be able/allowed to return, and as such the actual purpose of such a project would be ethnically cleansing the territory.
and you essentially you prefer population to suffer hardships of war in order to "safekeep" territory and "prevent ethnic cleansing".
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/almost-half-gazans...
Isn't it both? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but it seems like anyone who's born on that land will find it almost impossible to leave. Both countries that have land borders with Gaza will usually not admit locals, except in very few exceptions. Even someone trying to transit through Israel to other countries would probably not be able to. Their sea and airspace, things that are seen in other countries as open windows to the rest of the world, are controlled by Israel. And their own government sometimes acts to prevent people from leaving. So, even if some countries accepted their refugees, I don't see how an average Gazan would be able to get there. It's not quite North Korea-level of difficulty, but it's up there.
when israel after trump announcement said that idf will help people (who want to leave) to leave through israel, everybody screamed that it's literally proof that israel executes genocide and ethnic cleansing
typically to be refugee you need to get to country and request this status. you can't get refugee status remotely.
Legal restrictions could be reduced if there are any counties willing to take refugees.
at no point he was saying that gazans will be rounded up and moved out.
the way that conversation is going now is (and i am not trump fan):
- everybody: gaza is destroyed and nobody can live there. conditions are inhumane
- trump: lets allow to people move out to different countries, provide them with housing/jobs/etc while gaza is rebuild
- israel: we will help to people who want to leave - to leave
- everybody: this is literal genocide and ethnic cleansing. gazans should stay in gaza
A US administration that was serious about this would propose a deal to take some refugees from Gaza as a sign of good will. Something like "we will take 25% if other countries agree to take 75%." To say that other countries should take all the refugees, when they've shown no interest in it, is deeply cynical. So I didn't bother to look further.
Of course we'd never see that from the Trump administration. Unfortunately the Biden administration wasn't imaginative enough to suggest such a thing.
i saw some interviews with gazans that said, that in case EU/USA/Canada will accept refugees, Gaza will become empty overnight.
- Supported Saddam in Kuwait
- Supported Saddam in Iraq
- Massacred Christians in Lebanon
- Tried to overthrow Jordan
- Caused chaos in Syria
- Destabilized Libya
- Aligned with iranian axis despite gulf states (eg Saudi) hosting at that time
- Complained about Egypt-Israel peace despite the former being the only country to send men to die for them
- Sent jihadists into Sinai
- Ran military ops out of Tunis after Tunisia agreed to host Arafat causing Tunis to get bombed
- Repeatedly militarized "refugee camps"
Like whether what israel is doing is wrong (it is) is independent of whether or not the palestinians kinda suck (they do)
OP isn't making a moral argument. They're making a practical one. It's practical for a potential host to be wary about accepting refugees given the positions of their predecessors. Particularly when the current popuations are engaged in decades (centuries?) old disputes based on ancestral rights.
Like we can even blame the way things are on the israelis, or at least majorly on them, but that doesn't change the calculus for other arab states.
We could ask why there aren't more Palestinian refugees who fled to other countries? As far as I can tell, leaving Gaza is very difficult, and nobody really talks about making it easier.