> this sounds like a cop out

This may sound more mean than I intend, but your comment is exactly the kind of thing the GP post was describing as useless yet ubiquitous.

i mean i get it, but at some point you have to either assume everyone is lying or we are all bots or something. it's probably the same feeling i get when i read someone having trouble and my first thought is like "they aren't using it right". i'm sure the reverse is something like "they aren't a real programmer" LOL.

It's much simpler than that.

Without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking, these conversations are heat without light.

and without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking to fail these conversations are heat without light. see how that works?

nobody can be bothered to show how these coding llms fall flat on their face apparently with their own real detailed examples and people can't be bothered to setup some detailed youtube video with all source code because in the end i'm not trying that hard to convince people to use tools they don't want to use.

i think with all the comments maybe the more people who stumble through this the better. the cloudflare example is a decent starting point and i've already given you the general approach. i'm fine with that being a copout lol.

> and without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking to fail these conversations are heat without light.

Of course.

> i'm anywhere from 1.5x to 10x on certain tasks

By your own reckoning. There was that recent study showing how senior devs using AI thought they were 20% faster, when they were objectively 20% slower.

They may spend 20% less time writing code but 20% more time explaining to the AI what they want and fixing the output. People are not good at basic math or time accounting, even programmers.

i mean at this point i don't really know what to say to comments like these basically calling me a liar lol. i log increases in sustained lines outputted and removed, files touched, features pushed per day. you can argue the level of increase, but it's definitely not 20% slower shrugs.

and this is exactly what i'm talking about. in the end who gives a shit about some study that may or may not apply to me as long its actually working.

people literally frothing at the mouth to tell people who find it useful that they are utterly wrong or delusional. if you don't like it then just go about your day, thx.

i wouldn't draw broad conclusions on this based on one study. especially since it's going against what many people self-report. studies are often flawed.