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Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by larsiusprime on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:07PM (#44583869)
Maintenance of old crumbling European castles in inconvenient locations are also often famously bad deals for the owner.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by akudha on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:15PM (#44584008)
This might still be appealing to young people, especially those who do not like the noise/pollution of big cities and can't afford them?
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by bee_rider on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:20PM (#44584044)
I could see the appeal of a shack, but I suspect a castle would be quite a maintainence burden.

I guess nowadays one would not need to employ as large a retinue… but you don’t get to tax the local villages anymore. Seems like a wash.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by AndrewDavis on Thursday July 17, 2025 @02:25AM (#44590298)
I really enjoy the TV show Escape to the Chateau. A lot of couple buy an old run down French chateau and move in with their two kids. Each episode is roughly them doing up a part of it. Often with ideas for making money out of it.

Very much light entertainment, but it's eye opening how significant of a restoration and maintenance burden it is.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by thefz on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:53PM (#44584421)
Do you have any idea of the thermal inertia of a castle? How are you going to heat it to an acceptable living temperature?
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by yobbo on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @04:15PM (#44586354)
1. Accept lower temperature in the stonework/bricks/concrete

2. Use heatpumps, wood furnaces, accumulator tanks

3. Only heat the rooms you use when you use them.

It's very doable, especially in Italy.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by Tpt on Thursday July 17, 2025 @02:42AM (#44590413)
A lot of large castle owners in France have setup a small apartment on the side for winter and use the main rooms only occasionally and during summer. This is not something new, in Versailles you can visit the king actual private bedroom that is much smaller and easy to heat than the official one.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by whatevaa on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:16AM (#44592465)
Second point has no point, heat pumps are overhyped on expensive electricity, accumulator tanks still need be heated up by something. Lot's of energy must be spent. 3 point is silly, such "houses" have massive thermal inertia, it's gonna take a while to heat those rooms when you start using them and heat is gonna "bleed" internally anyway.

It will cost you a lot anyway, can't escape entropy.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by yread on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:25PM (#44584779)
If you spend 700k eur on heating instead of on the purchase price you can stay warm for quite a while
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by Someone on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @02:55PM (#44585652)
I wouldn’t count on that. https://www.lifestyledaily.co.uk/article/2021/03/23/how-much... gives £209k as an estimate for heating the main house from Downton Abbey.

Now, Italy is a bit warmer than the UK, and most castles a bit smaller, but castles in Italy can be on colder mountaintops.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by devilbunny on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @04:36PM (#44586554)
One very interesting idea I read about long ago was the use of low-power microwave emitters to make rooms feel much warmer - the author of the piece described the feeling as "like stepping into sunlight" when the emitters turned on.

Makes the 2.4 GHz spectrum pretty unusable, though.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by SURA on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:44PM (#44589197)
Warmth from the inside out, to be honest I'm a little scared
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by exe34 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @04:25AM (#44591008)
I would not connect it to Alexa.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by robocat on Thursday July 17, 2025 @03:32AM (#44590699)
"It is well established that high-power microwave radiation can induce cataracts via its thermal effects"
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by illiac786 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @03:43AM (#44590750)
But the previous comment said “low power”?
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by robocat on Thursday July 17, 2025 @10:08AM (#44593623)
The point is that if you are feeling actual thermal effects then you're probably in the danger zone of high power. They implied the effect was thermal "to make rooms feel much warmer", "like stepping into sunlight"; without clarification from them then my assumption is good that they were not talking about milliwatts.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by devilbunny on Thursday July 17, 2025 @03:17PM (#44597061)
It was not an article in an engineering journal, so no mention of power.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by magicalhippo on Thursday July 17, 2025 @06:47AM (#44591805)
I read about how they tried this in the 60s.

They quickly found out it doesn't work well. Microwaves heats up liquid water so the people got nice and warm, but not any of the furniture and such.

So the floor would be cold to walk on, the sofa would be cold to sit down in and so on.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by ewoodrich on Thursday July 17, 2025 @11:49AM (#44594661)
Not the same effect exactly but I live in an 70s era apartment with heated ceilings in a couple rooms (which I didn’t even know was a thing).

It was a similar experience where initially it seemed great in the winter how quickly a room felt “warm”. But quickly you notice the air itself isn’t as warm which isn’t very pleasant and wait, I’m not feeling “warm” anymore I’m feeling “very hot”.

I basically gave up using them after the first winter except turned up sub-perceptually at like 25% just to add a bit of heat input to reduce the days where I need a space heater.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by devilbunny on Thursday July 17, 2025 @03:19PM (#44597085)
Interesting. The piece I read/heard didn't talk about using it instead of heating the house, but as a supplement to allow the whole-home temperature to be substantially lower.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by magicalhippo on Thursday July 17, 2025 @06:22PM (#44598944)
Ah yeah that might work better. The one I read about was about having a giant magnetron in the basement, providing whole-house heating. Very 60's thing to try indeed.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by devilbunny on Saturday July 19, 2025 @09:14AM (#44615230)
This was probably 70s-80s. House heated to 10-15 C/50-60 F and microwave for comfort beyond that.
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by bestham on Saturday July 19, 2025 @04:31AM (#44613641)
The “human heater” was literally a mock idea for a competition in the sitcom Silicon Valley. The jury canned it. https://youtu.be/Di3fPj0pUbQ
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by solardev on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:28AM (#44593173)
Train a LOT of models?
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by fxtentacle on Thursday July 17, 2025 @06:46PM (#44599139)
Turns out Sam Altman accidentally bought a vacation home with broken heating in Alaska and his subsequent obsession with expensing the heating bill on the company CC is what brought us ChatGPT ;)
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by amluto on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:42AM (#44593324)
Thermal inertia can be a benefit: while it largely prevents you from benefiting from turning off the heat when you’re not home, it smooths out diurnal fluctuations and lets your control just the average temperature. So your windows can provide lots of solar gain, for example, without overheating you during the daytime.

The real problems are that stone is a terrible insulator, that single-pane windows are even worse, and that air leakage in old structures is incredibly wasteful.

Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by ASalazarMX on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:54PM (#44584434)
"I couldn't afford to live in the city, so I bought a castle".
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by umeshunni on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:14PM (#44583988)
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by tough on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:40PM (#44584287)
so how do you make it right, just bull doze it?
Re:The Italian towns selling houses for €1 by pjc50 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @05:49AM (#44591504)
Find someone with a suitably bottomless supply of money who wants it as the status symbol it always was. Or somehow make it nice enough to be a public attraction, but there's a real oversupply of chateaux.