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Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by bluedino on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @09:53AM (#44582417)
Had you told me back in 1995, that in 30 years we'd have 4K screens and I would only be able to see 10 emails in my inbox at one time...

Netscape 2.02 or Microsoft Mail client from back then looks amazing by comparison.

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by dotancohen on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @09:56AM (#44582441)
This isn't Thunderbird. This is a Thunderbird theme.

Normal Thunderbird still gets two to three dozen email subject lines on the screen. I absolutely love it, I've been using it for over 20 years through the rough and through the good. We're in a good period now, and it's been a good period for quite some time.

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by nullgeo on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @09:58AM (#44582468)
Not a fork of thunderbird. It's custom CSS that renders the thunderbird "chrome".
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by dotancohen on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:03AM (#44582534)
Corrected, thanks.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by markasoftware on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:47AM (#44582935)
just tried installing it in case last time I tried it >5 years ago was during the "rough".

I was impressed that it correctly inferred the IMAP and SMTP settings for my custom domain name, but after using it for ~30 seconds random old emails started appearing at the top of the email list, above my latest emails.

Maybe I'll try again in another 5 years.

edit: someone thinks i didn't wait for imap to finish. I did. My latest email appeared at the top. Then 30 seconds later some ancient emails popped up above it, seemingly triggered by scrolling in the email list pane.

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by accoil on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:42AM (#44583530)
I get something like that in the initial IMAP sync. Some of my old emails will surface to the top with the current date as today. Never really bothered looking into as it only happens once, but I've been assuming that the date header on those emails were missing.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by 1718627440 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @02:16PM (#44585285)
Yes, I also had that problem and this is exactly the cause. When you resync the mailbox later it gets redated again. It is actually really stupid, because there are only TWO mandatory headers: Date and From. Getting this wrong seams to be really incompetent of the sender software.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by markasoftware on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @05:03PM (#44586744)
i see, this likely happened to me.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by pjerem on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:51AM (#44582983)
Or just maybe click the arrow to sort by date ?
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by xnorswap on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:05AM (#44583123)
I'm going to be controversial and say that if sorting by date isn't the default in an email client, it's a broken client.

That's beyond just breaking "Have sensible defaults", and is well into, "Your defaults are broken".

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by pjerem on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @03:29PM (#44585939)
That's the default.

But it sounds like OPs mails were sorted differently for an unknown reason.

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by dingnuts on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:59AM (#44583065)
lol seriously, my guy didn't even wait until imap was done. what vendetta does he have against Thunderbird
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by dotancohen on Thursday July 17, 2025 @05:16AM (#44591331)
Probably the same vendetta they I have against Windows. Every time I try it, I find it so frustrating. So every time I try, I afford it less and less patience.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by ghosty141 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:45AM (#44582898)
Thats just a setting in thunderbird. Indont see the problem with personal preference to show less emails
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by citrin_ru on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:46AM (#44582921)
A couple years ago I did run one of early Thunderbird versions in a Windows7 VM and it did look amazing too. TB designers are likely trying to improve UI but most updates are just change how it looks not necessary making it look better or improving UX. Though quick filter is a relatively recent addition if I'm not mistaken and I use it a lot.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by SebastianKra on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:19AM (#44582677)
I'm to young for Netscape, but do you mean this [^1] interface, that's truncating the subject and hiding the body?

Also, which use-cases do you have where you need to see 20 emails at once?

[^1]: https://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ns_4_email.jpg

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by wpm on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:28AM (#44582756)
That interface is probably 640x480, so of course it’s truncating things.

And I’m sorry, you really can’t fathom why someone who gets a ton of email would want to see more of them in their inbox at the same time?

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by bluedino on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:27AM (#44582750)
Well, you can have a higher screen resolution than 640x480, resize those columns, hide the ones you don't use...

Look at the Thunderbird 1 and 3 screenshots on that page

http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/

Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by graphememes on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:58AM (#44583055)
time to make an email client...
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by zelphirkalt on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:46AM (#44592743)
Overview, seeing threads with more than a handful of e-mails completely, selection, tagging, dragging, deleting, marking as spam, in general all kinds of bulk actions.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by carlosjobim on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:35AM (#44583453)
Let me tell you then that you can see 9 lines of text in the e-mail which is currently opened.
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by ShadowBanThis03 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:19AM (#44582675)
Did he say it was Thunderbird?
Re:Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design by throwaway915 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @06:00PM (#44587271)
Change it yourself then. It's right there in the documented CSS file. Not even overobscured SCSS!

And Netscape in 1995 look good in comparison to.. Pine?