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Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by adastra22 on Monday July 14, 2025 @06:48PM (#44566207)
It’s a tool for making fingers in knitted gloves. It’s rather annoying that this click bait “archeologists baffled” story keeps propagating.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by quantified on Monday July 14, 2025 @07:43PM (#44566522)
Can you point to an example or a youtube? Sounds great but the object in the photo looks a bit abstracted.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by adastra22 on Tuesday July 15, 2025 @02:30AM (#44568421)
I don't really do YouTube, but putting "dodecahedron knitting" into the search box got this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76AvV601yJ0

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by gilleain on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:01PM (#44583778)
Here is a fairly comprehensive analysis by an archeologist that mentions the knitting argument, but dismisses it

https://youtu.be/UbGtkbqbjtY?si=kJNAUqtRQMyf5Nja

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by bookofjoe on Tuesday July 15, 2025 @02:42PM (#44574481)
I didn't know that so I went and read about them. I could not find a single source that definitively states that "it's a tool for making fingers in knitted gloves."

That there are YouTube videos showing it being used to do exactly that does NOT mean that was its intended or original function.

In fact, all of the sources I consulted stated that your proposed function is one of approximately 50 possible and speculated uses but that there is still no conclusive evidence as to the device's original function.

Thus, I find your characterization of the article as "click bait" to be wide of the mark.

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by meindnoch on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:04PM (#44583822)
Stop perpetuating made-up pseudoarchaelogical stories.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by masklinn on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:08PM (#44583880)
That's a hypothesis amongst others, but it's just that, with essentially no hard evidence backing it up.

And it flies in the face that the earliest known knitted artefacts are from centuries later, to say nothing of knitting spools which they would predate by some 1300 years.

This hypothesis also lacks a lot of explanatory power e.g. why did some of them find (and take) room in coin hoards? Why have they been found all over Gaul, Germania, and Britannia, but not Italy, Hispania, or the eastern empire?

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by fiedzia on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @08:56PM (#44588586)
> why did some of them find (and take) room in coin hoards?

People who had access to gold used some of it to create jewellery.

> Why have they been found all over Gallia, Germania, and Britannia, but not Italia, Hispania, or the Oriens?

Certain types of jewellery can be found in certain regions. This can be attributed to specific trading network or local preferences. I don't know if that could be proven, but makes sense to me.

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by masklinn on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:24PM (#44589393)
Knitting spools are not jewellery.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by nwallin on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:08PM (#44583885)
It's a nifty theory, but unfortunately, it isn't true.

If it were used for that, there would be wear at the bases of the little knobs as the yarn rubs along it. None of the dodecahedrons we have show any wear in those areas.

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by sandspar on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:10PM (#44583919)
The objects were found in graves and coin hoards. Why would people ask to be buried with a knitting accessory?
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by ceejayoz on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:13PM (#44583974)
Why not? Egyptian pharaohs were buried with (among other things) food and everyday necessities, because it was believed they'd take them along to the afterlife for use there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_goods

Modern society is not much different: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/photo/ohio-mans-wish-fulfilled-...

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by pavel_lishin on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:35PM (#44584239)
I feel like "why not" is not a sufficient answer, especially when trying to explain a single object. The pharaohs were buried with everything, including people, so that's not a great analogy.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by ceejayoz on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:42PM (#44584311)
From the article:

> Archaeologists have recovered dodecahedrons from the graves of men and women, in coin hoards and even in refuse heaps, so a blanket explanation for their use has not been found.

There's no indication these were the only things in graves that I can see.

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by sandspar on Thursday July 17, 2025 @01:16AM (#44589913)
You could easily find information about Roman burial practices. It would help you decide whether knitting accessories fit the pattern.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by NelsonMinar on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:14PM (#44583992)
Every time someone posts this article someone smugly says "it's a tool for knitting" and then everyone speculates and points to folks saying it's not a tool for knitting.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by tristramb on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:20PM (#44584724)
In my estimation this is amost certainly correct. It accounts for most if not all of the observed properties of these objects. The other suggestions only ever account for one or two. But lazy journalists, aided by AI, will no doubt continue to treat all the suggestions as equally likely.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by nemo on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:48PM (#44585015)
Knitting hadn't been invented when these were around - we know the Romans made gloves, socks, and other garments with a great deal of supporting evidence, there's not a single example of a mitten, nor of any kind of knitting like this. The Romans wove cloth on a loom and stitched it together. There's no signs of wear on any examples of the dodecahedra, so it's not a hand tool that comes into contact with wool or metals which would leave at least micro-abrasions. Whatever these were they were not a hand tool. It snows in north Italy, why wouldn't they need gloves in some places where it snows outside of Gallia? The knitting tool is among the weakest hypotheses in terms of evidence.

If journalists were to refer to these as a knitting tool it would be because they were lazy and didn't do any research into that hypothesis. In general journalists writing on this tend to acknowledge scholarly opinion that their use is unknown and hypotheses about it are speculative. The lazy journalists are the ones who write about how some Youtuber decided it's a knitting tool or whatever and uncritically repeat this without researching scholarly consensus or what historians and archaeologists have to say about the tool.

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by meindnoch on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @02:00PM (#44585131)
>It accounts for most if not all of the observed properties of these objects

1. How does it account for the different-sized holes on the dodecahedron's faces? Before you answer "to knit for different sized fingers" let me remind you that knitting doesn't work like that, that is, the diameter of the final product is determined by the distance of the pegs, which is the same across all the faces.

2. How does it account for the similar-looking Roman icosahedrons?

3. How does it account for the fact that knitting was invented hundreds of years after the fall of the Roman Empire?

This is some Joe Rogan-tier crank theory, that no self-respecting archaeologist takes seriously. It's literally based on a single YouTube video, yet for some reason it gets endlessly repeated, probably because it makes people feel good that a random grandma figured out something that the fat cats of the archaeologist establishment failed to crack.

Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by adastra22 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @12:47AM (#44589766)
This isn't knitting, it is technically nalbinding, and yes the holes are used to create different sized fingers and it works perfectly well for that purpose.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by meindnoch on Thursday July 17, 2025 @04:41AM (#44591105)
False. The diameter of the knit tube depends on the distance of the pegs, not the central hole.
Re:Roman dodecahedron: 12-sided object has baffled archaeolo... by tengwar2 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @01:43PM (#44595984)
And on the number of the pegs. And five pegs would be far too few for practical purposes.