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Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by neepi on Sunday June 29, 2025 @03:59AM (#44411139)
That is both true and untrue at the same time based on how you dress it, what context you portray it in and who you cite.

This demonstrates my point perfectly.

Please rather than take this point as an affront to your position and go and research both positions and compare. Then at least you can be confident in your own position and talk into it with authority.

Everything is very nuanced.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by woooooo on Sunday June 29, 2025 @08:38AM (#44412622)
History is nuanced.

Shooting starving people should be one of those moments of clarity that cuts through the narrative.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by atonse on Sunday June 29, 2025 @09:28AM (#44412979)
I think that is what the parent is alluding to, when it comes to waiting for more facts.

One of those facts might be intent or misheard orders. It might just be that this actually happened (as a war crime) but it is probably too early to tell.

Regardless of what happened, it helps to wait until more info comes out.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by woooooo on Sunday June 29, 2025 @09:56AM (#44413193)
It's been every day for weeks, there is video.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by amendegree on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @12:14PM (#44445506)
There literally isn’t any video of GHF doing it.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by neepi on Sunday June 29, 2025 @09:51AM (#44413164)
Exactly that.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by asacrowflies on Monday June 30, 2025 @12:06PM (#44424909)
How long should we wait? Seems it's always just wait... Until it blows over and can be swept under the rug...again...
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by kylebenzle on Sunday June 29, 2025 @09:47AM (#44413135)
This is my favorite response from you guys!

"Look, children may be dying and maybe we're killing them but we need to verify and we need more time. Because first of all what were they even doing there? Oh and also this is our Land anyways and there were no deaths nobody died there aren't even any children in gaza!"

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by neepi on Sunday June 29, 2025 @09:59AM (#44413224)
This is a fine example of the irrational discourse that does damage to the whole situation.

Every case needs to be investigated thoroughly and punished accordingly.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by bigyabai on Sunday June 29, 2025 @11:43AM (#44413989)
> Every case needs to be investigated thoroughly and punished accordingly.

Which is the exact reason you should be concerned. Israel has zero accountability for their actions, many of which are documented war crimes.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by neepi on Sunday June 29, 2025 @02:26PM (#44415203)
Did I say I wasn’t concerned?
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by boston_clone on Sunday June 29, 2025 @04:13PM (#44416030)
at the point, advocating for neutrality in the face of overwhelming evidence of war crimes day after day after day is a pretty clear indication of not being concerned.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by arunabha on Sunday June 29, 2025 @02:54PM (#44415402)
> Every case needs to be investigated thoroughly and punished accordingly.

And who exactly do you propose should do that? The Israeli govt?

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by neepi on Sunday June 29, 2025 @04:03PM (#44415949)
Hell no. Neither party in a conflict is in a position to do such an investigation. Who do you think?

ICC would be nice but the geopolitical gorilla in the room knocked them down.

Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by bigyabai on Sunday June 29, 2025 @06:02PM (#44416900)
The United States isn't preventing the Israeli state from cooperating with the ICC, Israel is.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by asacrowflies on Monday June 30, 2025 @12:08PM (#44424928)
So the civilians being murdered need to be investigated and punished? Hmm hot take.
Re:IDF Soldiers Confess: Ordered to Shoot Unarmed Gazans at ... by itchyouch on Sunday June 29, 2025 @12:11PM (#44414190)
The "nuanced" rhetoric to add doubt that things may not seem like what they are, is tiresome at this point. neepi's comments seem reasonable, innocent until proven guilty, but it's simply a strategy to exhaust onlookers with bureaucratic formalities of investigation and prosecution under the masquerade of reasonable justice.

It's a cop out and putting one's head in the sand to the real atrocities of zionistic ambitions of usurping Palestinian land.

In America, if someone trespasses into one's home and the home owner kills the trespasser, the vast majority of the time, the owner is justified and there are numerous court cases we can point to. Recently, it has become clear to me that Palestinians are simply trying to defend their own property/land/humanity.

Israel's trespasses are finally seeing the light in the latest set of conflicts and folks reading this comment that are unsure should spend 30 minutes looking up the videos of the conflict.

Israel blocking aid, murdering medical personnel with impunity, the before/after of Gaza, the list of crimes perpetuated by the government is undeniable at this point.