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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by r14c on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:00PM (#44343045)
I really don't understand why the US didn't continue their talks with Iran. They were clearly open to joining a non-proliferation treaty at the time. They also have a religious law against developing nukes in addition to their other tentative agreements and cooperation with IAEA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei%27s_fatwa_against...

I don't expect Iran to use any nukes that they develop though. Having nukes puts a country in a special diplomatic class. Using them is almost never beneficial. The status quo risks for nuclear programs is stronger sovereignty, which would drastically shift the regional balance of power and possibly tip the scales on a broad international level.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:53PM (#44343407)
I think Iran’s mercenaries eventually blew up the entire diplomatic strategy. It turns out they should have stop funding entities that shoot missiles at population centers so often. It was a reckless strategy that failed.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by IAmGraydon on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:21PM (#44343206)
You are assuming they’re rational actors, and extremist religious ideologies are by their very nature irrational.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by mdni007 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:12AM (#44343532)
Exactly, they should be rational just like our secular politicians.

"As a Christian growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, ‘Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.’ And from my perspective, I’d rather be on the blessing side of things.”

- Ted Cruz, a U.S. senator

"There is a reason the first time I shook Netanyahu's hand, I didn't wash it until I could touch the heads of my children."

- Randy Fine, a U.S. congressman

And of course, there's the President of the United States who's known to be completely rational.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by all_factz on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:38PM (#44343312)
Iran has shown itself a rational actor time and time again by not escalating against continued provocation by Israel and the US, knowing that to do so would be to enter a conflict it can’t win. That’s not the behavior of an irrational actor who’s willing to fight whatever the cost, even total annihilation (which would be what happened if Iran nuked the US/Israel).

They may be religious fanatics, but they’re not idiots.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by margalabargala on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:29AM (#44343633)
Iran funded Hamas who did October 7th. That is the original escalation that kicked all this off. The region was (relatively) quiet until then.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by all_factz on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:36AM (#44343677)
October 7th was a reaction to Trump’s “Abraham Accords” which benefitted Sunni countries at the expense of Iran.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by margalabargala on Sunday June 22, 2025 @09:35AM (#44346854)
And also a gigantic, gigantic escalation.

"You made a deal that disadvantages us so we're going to rape and murder a bunch of teenagers and kidnap people."

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by all_factz on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:22AM (#44354547)
It’s not a justification, obviously. But it is a (partial) explanation. Israel wanted to keep sweeping the Palestinian issue under the rug, and Hamas and its sponsors were not going to allow that.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by margalabargala on Monday June 23, 2025 @10:09AM (#44355963)
You claimed that Iran "time and again does not escalate against provocations by the US and Israel".

Sure, it's an explanation. Everything shitty Israel or Hamas has done since 1950 has an "explanation" of "that other group did something to me".

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by FergusArgyll on Sunday June 22, 2025 @06:54AM (#44345804)
Iran FM saying no to negotiations on Friday was insane

https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-foreign-minister-says-no-10...

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by throwaway_dang on Sunday June 22, 2025 @06:47AM (#44345777)
Because the the nuke thing is a ruse; Iran's economic relationship with China is the problem for the U.S. which wants global hegemony.