They pay hardware rates to software engineers (principal engineer at the salary level of a decent fresh graduate) so I won't be too optimistic about them attracting software people that would propel them forward.

Stock is undervalued. If you get in now and it pops over the next few years, it'll likely make up for lower compensation.

You don't need to work at AMD to buy their stock.

We're forbidden to trading our own stock anyway, SEC regulation on insider trading and all.

You’re forbidden from shorting. Buying is completely allowed unless you are classified an insider and even then trades are open for I believe a month after quarterly results.

True, but if you don’t have a job, where’s the money for buying stock coming from?

If you are what AMD needs to catch up then you can just go work for NVidia for 3x the pay. This market sucks but top tier engineers in the niche they need are not a dime a dozen.

It isn't always about the money.

Then why is your original comment about compensation?

What I said was: “it’ll likely make up for lower compensation.”

The point is, someone might join AMD because they believe in the mission, not just for the paycheck. I followed that with: “It isn’t always about the money,” which is consistent with my original comment.

The real subtext is something I care deeply about: Nvidia is a monopoly. If AI is truly a transformative technology, we can’t rely on a single company for all the hardware and software. Viable alternatives are essential. I believe in this vision so strongly that I started a company to give developers access to enterprise grade AMD compute, back when no one was taking AMD seriously in AI. (Queue the HN troll saying that nobody still does.)

If the stock goes up while they’re there, great, that’s a bonus.

Your original comment only talked about compensation and why AMD's stock might make up for lower pay. This thread tangent (starting with your comment) was about compensation and explaining why working for AMD, if your goal is to maximize profit, is dumb. Adding "well there are other reasons" after your original comment doesn't change your original comment where you had none of that context.

In the context of maximizing compensation, working for AMD is dumb. Your own comments support this.

"Then why is your original comment about compensation?"

I answered your very specific question, even gave you my own additional context as a friendly thing to do, and now you are going off on some sort of maximizing rant for what purpose?

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I guess what I was politely trying to say is your original comment is misleading and pointless if your actual point is that things besides what you mentioned in your original comment are what really matter. So my point was - why make the original comment at all if it wasn't what you meant?

Calling my comments pointless is unnecessary and not polite at all.

We’ll have to agree to disagree, I don’t think I was misleading. I’ve been clear and even took the time to explain my reasoning when you asked.

Take care.

You don't think it's misleading to talk about how working at AMD can make you more money because of the stock appreciation, despite this being objectively incorrect due to it being a public company, when you don't think the reason to work for AMD is because of money?

Sure, agree to disagree. You have been anything but clear.

You go to work at ANY company, public, private, whatever.

You probably get stock options.

Those stock options can gain or lose value over time.

Generally, the incentive for options is that by working at the company, you're contributing to the overall value of the company, which makes those options more valuable.

I believe there’s more to choosing a company than just money. I don’t work at my own company for the paycheck. I’ve put in decades of hard work and I’m fortunate enough not to need the money. I’m driven by a bigger mission: helping AMD become a real alternative to a monopoly. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear to you. But when I was, you called my comment pointless and misleading. Now you’re just making it personal in an effort to psychopathically prove I’m somehow unclear. That’s not okay. Get over yourself, go outside, touch grass, whatever. I’m done engaging with you.

You do not need to work for a public company to own stock in that company. You can work at another company and simply buy that stock and get the same benefit.

I think you should take your own advice and go outside and touch grass. Cheers.

> You do not need to work for a public company to own stock in that company. You can work at another company and simply buy that stock and get the same benefit.

You have to work for the company to truly affect change within the company. That's the point you're missing.

If you really think whatever contributions you make to AMD with tens of thousands of employees are going to move the stock price so much that it's a better investment than working somewhere else that pays 3x better, then you're the one that needs to get over yourself.

Again, it isn't always about the money. 100% yes, a single individual can have a huge effect on a company and the stock price. Look at what Anush is doing and the stock price action since he started his new role.

Why you keep trying to make this personal, is beyond me. Feels aggressive and uncalled for.

I'm just responding to things you said. You told me to get over myself, so I'm just throwing it back at you. I think the only one taking this personally is you.

Let's just go back to "agree to disagree" because we're both tired of each other at this point.

I said that after you called my comments pointless and misleading, which is a personal attack.

I tried twice to politely end this, and you keep it going. Let's see if you can stop now?

Your original comment is pointless and misleading and I explained why. I didn't attack you or even your comment, I just pointed out what's wrong with it. Anyway sure, I'm happy to continue if you want.

> I’m done engaging with you.

You're the one that said this, not me. I was just trying to be kind and keep giving you an exit that you said you wanted. If you want to keep getting yourself worked up over a comment thread on HN, I'm happy to oblige. After all, according to you I'm acting psychopathically.

I knew you couldn't stop.

I won't lie, your projection is pretty funny.

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This looks to be about the point where this exchange turned into a tit-for-spat...a really bad one. This is not what HN is for, so please avoid this in the future. I know it isn't always easy to do that, but you both violated the site rules really badly here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This looks to be about the point where this exchange turned into a tit-for-spat...a really bad one. This is not what HN is for, so please avoid this in the future. I know it isn't always easy to do that, but you both violated the site rules really badly here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You're "talking your book".

At least where I live (very much not west coast), their SW and HW rates are at or above what we normally see in this area.

They pay terrible and still have legacy old guard managers. If you try to innovate on software you should look elsewhere or really make sure your manager knows what’s what