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Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by jandrese on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @03:41PM (#44303044)
From what I've seen WebP is probably the strongest contender for a JPEG replacement. It's pretty common in the indie game scene for example to re-encode a JPEG game to WebP for better image quality and often a significant (25% or more) savings on installer size. Support is coming, albeit somewhat slowly. It was pretty bad in Ubuntu 22, but several apps have added support in Ubuntu 24. Windows 11 supports WebP in Photos and Paint for another example.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by 0x20cowboy on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:17PM (#44303472)
I hate webp. Not for any legitimate technical reason like, but I often just want to download an image from the web for an image board or drop it in a diagram or ppt or for a joke and nothing works with that format. Nothing. Google image search is useless because of it.

Cmd+shift+4 is now the only way to grab an image out of a browser. Which is annoying.

It has made my life needlessly more complicated. I wish it would go away.

Maybe if browsers auto converted when you dragged ann image out of the browser window I wouldn’t care, but when I see webp… I hate.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by cosmic_cheese on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:40PM (#44303698)
Webp images are right up there with the fake transparent PNGs you come across in Google Images.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by nntwozz on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:49PM (#44303807)
I use ThumbsUp a free utility from https://www.devontechnologies.com/apps/freeware to convert webp/heic or whatever inconvenient format.

Just drop the offending image onto the icon in the dock.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by nyanpasu64 on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @05:10PM (#44304000)
My working model is that WebP images are generally a lossy copy of a PNG or a generation-loss transcoding of a JPG image. I know that lossless WebP technically exists but nobody uses it when they're trying to save bandwidth at the cost of the user.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by frollogaston on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @06:54PM (#44304895)
Even if webp got better support later, I want it deprecated just as revenge for previously wasting my time.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by jandrese on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @05:36PM (#44304221)
Worst case you can open it up in Paint and save as JPEG.

Also, I just checked and Powerpoint has no problem dropping in a webp image. Gimp opens it just fine. You are right that web forums are often well behind the times on this.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by reaperducer on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @04:15PM (#44312962)
Worst case you can open it up in Paint and save as JPEG

If he's using ⌘⇧4 to take a screenshot, he probably isn't going to open it in Microsoft Paint.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by adzm on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @06:27PM (#44304664)
Photoshop has native WebP support now too!
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by encom on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @05:38PM (#44304233)
Often (in my experience) WebP is served as a bait-and-switch even if the link ends with .jpg. So I use Curl to fetch the file, and since Curl doesn't send "Accept: image/webp" unless you tell it to, the server just gives you what you ask for.

I once edited Firefox config to make it pretend to not support WebP, and the only site that broke was YouTube.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by MiddleEndian on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @07:59PM (#44305298)
lol I installed the firefox extension "Don't Accept image/webp" but I assume a lot of sites just ignore it
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by wang_li on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:29PM (#44303590)
On the classic macs they’re was a program called DropDisk. You could drag a disk image to it and it auto mounted it. That suggests a tool for you. Make a desktop app that you can drag and drop images on that converts them to jpeg and saves them in a folder.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by msephton on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @07:21PM (#44305047)
You can create this using Automator in a minute.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by jamiek88 on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @08:38PM (#44305541)
thumbsup app does exactly this.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by Salgat on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:50PM (#44303815)
Exactly, part of being a "superior format" is adoption. Until then, it's just another in a sea of potential.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by harry8 on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @09:25PM (#44305793)
Total agreement from me, I use this:

bin/webp2png:

    #!/bin/bash
    dwebp "$1" -o  "${1%%.webp}".png
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by socalgal2 on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @10:39PM (#44306193)
That's true of any new format. Until everything supports it it's not so great. iPhone saves .HEIC which I have to convert to something else to be useful. It's not everywhere (not sure it ever will be).

Windows didn't use to show .jpgs in the window explorer. I know becase I wrote a tool to generate thumbnail HTML pages to include on archive CDs of photos.

To solve this problem, some format has to "win" and get adopted everywhere. That format could be webp, but it will take 3-10 years before everything supports it. It's not just the OS showing it in it's file viewer. It's it's preview app supporting it. It's every web site that lets you upload an image (gmail/gmaps/gchat/facebook/discord/messenger/slack/your bank/apartment-rental-companies, etc..etc..etc..) I just takes forever to get everyone to upgrade.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by bapak on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @11:24PM (#44306402)
When does a format stop being new? WebP was introduced fifteen years ago.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by graealex on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @10:19AM (#44310142)
When it's widely adopted.

WebP gets pushed into your series of tubes without your consent, and the browser that you're most likely to use to view them just happens to be made by the same company that invented the codec. It's DivX and Real Media all over again.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by voidUpdate on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @03:54AM (#44307605)
If you want to do that so badly and hate webp so much, why not screenshot it? Then you don't have to care what format it's in on the browser
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by nottorp on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @06:40AM (#44308640)
Pretty sure I've managed to configure my Firefoxes to act as webp does not exist...
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by graealex on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @10:21AM (#44310157)
It's a constant battle though to keep those browser extensions updated, especially since Google decided that extensions cut into their profits and they essentially made them useless.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by Sammi on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @03:52PM (#44303202)
Also webp support in browsers is looking pretty good these days: https://caniuse.com/webp

The last major browser to add support was Safari 16 and that was released on September 12, 2022. I see pretty much no one on browsers older than Safari 16.4 in metrics on websites I run.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by turnsout on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @06:44PM (#44304799)
Yeah, after seeing the logs I made the switch to webp earlier this year. As much as I hate to admit it (not a fan of Google), it’s a pretty big bandwidth savings for the same (or better) quality.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by hombre_fatal on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @07:13PM (#44305015)
I switched to webp on my forum for avatars and other user image uploads.

With one format you get decent filesize, transparency, and animation which makes things much simpler than doing things like conditionally producing gifs vs jpegs.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by userbinator on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @12:00AM (#44306544)
People want to use images outside of browsers too.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by prmoustache on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @06:12AM (#44308424)
What apps are you using in 2025 that handle images but doesn't support webp?

I can't think of any on my Fedora desktop for instance.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by jcynix on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @09:07AM (#44309570)
Luminar Neo, for example, doesn't handle webp. And there's more than just Fedora, IIRC.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by wongarsu on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @09:59AM (#44309962)
Lots of websites that expect me to upload images only accept jpeg and png.

Another one I recently interacted with are video backgrounds for zoom. Those apparently can only be jpeg, not even png

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by out_of_protocol on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @06:19AM (#44308482)
.. or you can go directly to avif - https://caniuse.com/avif (93%) instead of webp (95% support).
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by Sammi on Thursday June 19, 2025 @04:37AM (#44316643)
I'd love to see a comparison of the computational expense of avif compared to webp. I know av1, which avif is based off, is pretty hard on the hardware.
Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by out_of_protocol on Thursday June 19, 2025 @03:04PM (#44321524)
https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front

See various charts. For example, this table:

https://res.cloudinary.com/cloudinary-marketing/images/f_aut...

For decoding,

Webp - ~70Mpx/s,

jpeg - 100 to 300 Mpx/s

Jpeg xl - 115 to 163

Avif (single thread) - 32 to 37

Avif (multithread) - 90 to 110

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by graealex on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @09:42AM (#44309823)
> It's pretty common in the indie game scene

That's such a weak argument. If I was an indie game developer, I would use whatever obscure format would offer me the most benefit, since I control the pipeline from the beginning (raw TIFF/TGA/PNG/... files) to the end (the game that needs to have a decoder and will uncompress it into GPU memory). 20 minutes extra build-time on the dev machine is irrelevant when I can save hundreds of MBs.

However, that is not the benchmark for a format widely used on the internet. Encoding times multiply, as does the need to search for specialized software, and literally everyone else needs to support the format to be able to view those files.

Re:Why JPEGs Still Rule the Web After 30 Years (2024) by aidenn0 on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @12:54PM (#44311496)
FWIW, the day I discovered jpegli[1] I left WebP behind. Similar sizes to WebP while maintaining JPEG compatibility.

1: https://github.com/google/jpegli