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Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by gruez on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:15PM (#44283087)
What's with the title? It says "Journalists ..." (plural) when so far as I can tell it's the story of one journalist. While I'm sure there's at least one other journalist wary of traveling to the US, that's not the story at hand, and HN guidelines prohibit editorializing of titles.
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by add-sub-mul-div on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:25PM (#44283171)
Every thread getting littered with these hall monitor complaints about titles is worse than clickbait could ever be.
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by jakelazaroff on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:33PM (#44283220)
If anything, I think the title severely understates what happened here. It's not journalists "wary" of traveling to the US, it's a journalist literally getting deported for writing about a protest movement.
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by anthony_d on Sunday June 15, 2025 @01:01PM (#44283419)
I just started looking but I can’t find any supporting evidence for this story. The part where someone says “we both know why you’re here” just sounded like a cheesy movie line. The journalist mentioned that while being detained he met a woman who was on day 4 of detention… what exactly are the logistics of how they were handling detention?

It all just sounded so implausible. It reads like someone trying to spin a story to convince others of what they already wanted to believe, or maybe that kid in grade school who tells stories he read or saw, but swaps himself for the main character.

Why should I believe this person more than any random internet crank?

Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by refulgentis on Sunday June 15, 2025 @01:37PM (#44283695)
I'm sorry to write at length, I just feel so deeply in this moment. I've never seen such a stark denial of reality that has been reported widely recently, that also relies on a sweeping idea that we can't trust anyone ever, i.e. we cannot discern the difference between a random internet crank and a not-crank, and given that, there's no reason to ever explore anything we haven't accepted ourselves.

I don't think I'll be able to bridge the gap by lecturing or pointing things out or huffing about journalism. But I have no choice but to try something, because I care for you and for us.

I guess what I'd say is, to keep from lecturing, it's very normal to be in detention for multiple days once you've tripped the first wire. There's been many stories like this shared, you can see some of the effects [here](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=05c894fd792d1e12&rlz=1...), no tricks, no bias, just a search for "cbp detention" in Google news.

Some headlines: ‘Like a jail cell’: Family of six detained at Washington state border facility for more than three weeks, German tourist held indefinitely in San Diego-area immigrant detention facility, Green card holder from New Hampshire 'interrogated' at Logan Airport, detained, ‘Felt like a kidnapping’: Wrong turn leads to 5-day detention ordeal

Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by gruez on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:42PM (#44283280)
"Every" thread? I can't say that matches with my experience, or is even remotely close. Most posts I see are properly titled and as a result don't have anyone complaining about it. Can you link to some recent examples? Or is a little stretching of the truth justified in comments as well?
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by typesarecool on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:34PM (#44283225)
I am not actually sure they are a journalist, but more a blogger? Happy to be proven wrong
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by kreetx on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:38PM (#44283255)
Reading the blog, he seems more like an activist.
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by jakelazaroff on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:43PM (#44283293)
"Blogger" and "activist" both being euphemisms for "journalist who says things I don't like".
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by kreetx on Sunday June 15, 2025 @12:59PM (#44283402)
I think with blogger the GP meant that he is not a professional journalist; an activist is somebody who is politically engaged, as clearly this person is. Does it appear to you that he is an actual journalist?
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by jakelazaroff on Sunday June 15, 2025 @02:33PM (#44284106)
He makes money from journalism, does he not? Journalists are by definition politically engaged, so defining "activist" as a separate category like that makes no sense.
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by kreetx on Sunday June 15, 2025 @02:48PM (#44284199)
I've no idea how he makes his money, and no, journalists are not "by definition" politically engaged.

Secondly, df you read his blog, he pretty clearly is an activist, as he focuses on a single topic, has chosen a side, and also is acting upon it by protesting.

Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by jakelazaroff on Sunday June 15, 2025 @03:07PM (#44284319)
> no, journalists are not "by definition" politically engaged.

Which part of journalism doesn't involve "political engagement"? Selecting which stories are covered, and how prominently? Choosing whom to interview and deciding what questions to ask? Which details are important enough to include, and which to omit? There is no cogent definition of "journalism" by which it is not an intrinsically political activity.

> Secondly, df you read his blog, he pretty clearly is an activist, as he focuses on a single topic, has chosen a side

That is common among journalists; it is called a "beat".

> and also is acting upon it by protesting.

Hundreds of millions of people all over the world protest. 2–4 million did so in the U.S. alone yesterday. Are they all "activists"?

Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by kreetx on Sunday June 15, 2025 @03:20PM (#44284379)
I don't think few if any journalist I've read have taken part in protests.

Also, most journalists just investigate and present stories by assembling what they found. And then they go and investigate another topic. But this person has just one topic.

I'd say people who consistently protest and consistently write about the topic are activists, yes. Do you need an even stronger definition?

Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by SauciestGNU on Sunday June 15, 2025 @04:07PM (#44284658)
Having beliefs and advocating for them does not preclude one from doing journalism, and I would argue that undoubtedly any written account of occurrences on the ground during protests are journalism, regardless of the slant.

You really don't want to get into categorizing speech as protected or not based on content.

Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by gruez on Sunday June 15, 2025 @04:35PM (#44284789)
I agree the government shouldn't be in the business of gatekeeping what being a "journalist" means, but I think we can all agree there's there's clearly a category difference between a BBC reporter objectively covering the protests, and someone involved with the protests giving a one-sided account.
Re:Journalists Wary of Travelling to US Due to Palantir Surv... by gruez on Sunday June 15, 2025 @04:21PM (#44284720)
>Which part of journalism doesn't involve "political engagement"? Selecting which stories are covered, and how prominently? Choosing whom to interview and deciding what questions to ask? Which details are important enough to include, and which to omit? There is no cogent definition of "journalism" by which it is not an intrinsically political activity.

"politically engaged" in this case refers to participating in the protests itself, or even taking a particular side. It's the opposite of being "objective", back when that was an ideal to strive for. Nowadays "objectivity" is being dropped in favor of "moral clarity".

>That is common among journalists; it is called a "beat".

No. Writing about resturants in New York is a "beat". Writing pieces consistently favoring one side is being an activist.

>Hundreds of millions of people all over the world protest. 2–4 million did so in the U.S. alone yesterday. Are they all "activists"?

Yes? Are you going to gatekeep "actvist" to people who are card carrying DSA members or something?