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Re: by gknoy on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @01:24PM (#44249791)

Training AI models uses a large amount of energy (according to what I've read / headlines I've seen /etc), and increases water usage. [0] I don't have a lot to offer as proof, merely that this is an idea that I have encountered enough that I was suprised you hadn't heard of it. I did a very cursory bit of googling, so the quality + dodginess distribution is a bit wild, but there appear to be indiustry reports [2, page 20] that support this:

""" [G]lobal data centre electricity use reached 415 TWh in 2024, or 1.5 per cent of global electricity consumption.... While these figures include all types of data centres, the growing subset of data centres focused on AI are particularly energy intensive. AI-focused data centres can consume as much electricity as aluminium smelters but are more geographically concentrated. The rapid expansion of AI is driving a significant surge in global electricity demand, posing new challenges for sustainability. Data centre electricity consumption has been growing at 12 per cent per year since 2017, outpacing total electricity consumption by a factor of four. """

The numbers are about data center power use in total, but AI seems to be one of the bigger driving forces behind that growth, so it seems plausible that there is some harm.

0: https://news.mit.edu/2025/explained-generative-ai-environmen... 1: https://www.itu.int/en/mediacentre/Pages/PR-2025-06-05-green... 2: (cf. page 20) https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Environment/Pages/Publications/...

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Re: by astrange on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @03:45PM (#44251058)

There's an "AI is using all the water" meme online currently (especially on Bluesky, home of anti-AI scolds), which turns out to come from a study that counted hydroelectric power as using water.

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Re: by coryrc on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @02:56PM (#44250637)

USA uses 21.3 TWh of petroleum per day for transportation. Even if AI was fully responsible for all data center usage (it is not even close) we're quibbling over 20 days of US transportation oil usage, which actually has devastating effects on the environment.

Data centers are already significant users of renewable electricity. They do not contaminate water in any appreciable amount.

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Re: by baggy_trough on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @02:18PM (#44250314)

I agree that there is some incremental electricity usage. I do not think it can be characterized fairly as "massive environmental harm".

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Re: by autoexec on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @02:56PM (#44250641)

As an example, Ren and his colleagues calculated the emissions from training a large language model, or LLM, at the scale of Meta’s Llama-3.1, an advanced open-weight LLM released by the owner of Facebook in July to compete with leading proprietary models like OpenAI's GPT-4. The study found that producing the electricity to train this model produced an air pollution equivalent of more than 10,000 round trips by car between Los Angeles and New York City. (https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2024/12/09/ais-deadly-air-poll...)