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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by matt-attack on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:45AM (#44236745)
Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone?

Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by troyvit on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @10:59AM (#44237633)
Honest question, because I don't see it here in Colorado: Who has it adversely affected? Crime rates among illegal immigrants are lower than the rest of the population [1] [2] [3] and illegal immigrants are the backbone of our agricultural system [4]

So ... who is hurt and how badly are they hurt? Because when I see the amount of perfectly legal murder, robbery and torture happening in the U.S. [5] [6] [7] [8] I just don't understand what the big deal is. I guess it's whataboutism, but when we have limited resources, why are we using them for this specific problem? How bad is it compared to this other stuff?

[1] https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o... (the feds took it down -- gee I wonder why -- but the facts are in the permalink)

[2] https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses-misleading-error-ridd...

[3] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7768760/

[4] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor#lega...

[5] https://www.techtarget.com/revcyclemanagement/feature/Breaki...

[6] https://ij.org/press-release/new-report-finds-civil-forfeitu...

[7] https://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/27/whistleblower-e...

[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#United_States

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by troyvit on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @12:36PM (#44249333)
This answers my question very well:

> So ... who is hurt and how badly are they hurt?

Your answer: not many people, not nearly as many as our prisons-for-profit our healthcare-for-profit systems. Plenty of legals rape 13 year olds, hell a legal here in my home town cut open a mom to be and tried to kidnap her fetus.

So yeah your anecdata proves my suspicion. This illegal immigration crackdown is a false flag for racism and xenophobia. As long as people have feet they're going to move, and as long as people have brains, they're going to resent and fear that.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by CapricornNoble on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @04:14PM (#44251320)
As an American minority who has emigrated to an Asian country known for strict immigration enforcement and ethnocentrism, this is just a bizarre take to me. On HN, where there are regular posts about cybersecurity and vulnerabilities, for some reason people fail to grasp the concept of national-level Physical Access Control. For a country with a trillion-dollar security budget and an all-too-cozy relationship with the jailers of the world's largest open-air prison (Palestine), we should not have millions slipping through the cracks. We should not have repeated offenders committing high-profile violent crimes.

"Our domestic systems are broken and ruin more lives so anyone who opposes foreign criminals preying on our citizens is a racist." No. Some of us minorities appreciate law & order too.

Immigration enforcement is low-hanging fruit from a policy perspective IMO, with real, tangible positive impacts on the quality of life of the citizenry. Going after the monied class that benefits from the prisons-for-profit is a MUCH harder objective (but also absolutely necessary and SHOULD be done in conjunction with the street enforcement). I find nobody hates criminal immigrants quite like law-abiding immigrants; we end up stereotyped due to the actions of the high-profile idiots.

All that said, I find that many actions which would be "government doing its job" in other countries bring out the worst low-IQ racists in the US in support.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by troyvit on Thursday June 12, 2025 @03:50PM (#44262398)
Yeah I totally fail to grasp the concept of national-level Physical Access Control. In the richest country in the world, with a population approaching 400,000,000 people and 7,458 of land borders (not even counting our sea borders), the phrase sounds quixotic without a lot of bounds set on it. We consume over a third of the world's resources with just 5% of the world's population. Simple laws of diffusion operate against any kind of long-term enforced border control.

What makes the violent crimes high profile? I don't see anything done by illegal immigrants that isn't done at a higher rate by citizens, be it rape, murder, gang activity, you name it. It's a well documented fact (you can look it up yourself) that illegal immigrants in the U.S. have a lower crime rate than legal immigrants or citizens.

As far as tying cybersecurity to this, sure. The only safe network is one that its unplugged from the rest of the world. Problem is it's also a pretty useless network.

What is a low hanging fruit policy wise is clearly not so low-hanging from an execution perspective.

I oppose anybody preying on our citizens, not just foreigners. While there might be a political need to control immigration it ignores basic human nature, which has been around far longer than any political system.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by newdee on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @10:18AM (#44237110)
Both can be true
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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by const_cast on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @01:26PM (#44239236)
> Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone?

Coming as someone living in Texas - yes, it affects no one. It's always been an hallucination. We just attribute random things to "the illegals" when, in reality, they're not hurting anyone.

In fact, if you've ever been in Texas, you'd know this state is run by illegals. I drive around and I see homes being built out the wazoo and who's on the roof? Huh? Who is it? It's not white people.

I drive down 114 and they got 2 lanes closed for construction and I look over and what is working on the concrete? It's not white people. I stop by 7/11 to buy a coke and who checks me out?

People just don't like "illegals" because they're racist. That's the hard truth, the pill a lot of y'all don't want to swallow.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by 4d4m on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @03:30PM (#44240491)
Absolutely. Our country is built on the work of immigrants as much as anyone else. We should celebrate every hard worker that contributes with a path to citizenship.
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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by anonfordays on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @05:19PM (#44241570)
Coming as someone living in Texas - yes, it affects no one. It's always been an hallucination. We just attribute random things to "the slaves" when, in reality, they're not hurting anyone.

In fact, if you've ever been in Texas, you'd know this state is run by slaves. I ride around and I see fields being tilled out the wazoo and who's on the plow? Huh? Who is it? It's not white people.

I ride down 114 and they got 2 bridges closed for construction and I look over and what is working on the stone? It's not white people. I stop by haberdashery to buy a needle and who checks me out?

People just don't like "slaves" because they're racist. That's the hard truth, the pill a lot of y'all don't want to swallow.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by const_cast on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:08PM (#44242005)
Yeah, we all know that republicans are deporting children for... humanitarian reasons? Really? That's what we're rolling with? Yeah, okay.

Look, if you actually want to help marginalized groups, especially in their labor relations, you wouldn't be a Trumpie. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If we're talking about improving lives for immigrants - newsflash! - the left are the only ones even entertaining that. If anything, this comment perfectly encapsulates why Republicans are so fucking stupid.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by anonfordays on Thursday June 12, 2025 @12:24PM (#44259560)
>Yeah, we all know that republicans are deporting children for... humanitarian reasons?

Deporting them back to their home country to reuinte them with their parents. Supporting the human trafficking of children isn't the flex you think it is.

>Really? That's what we're rolling with? Yeah, okay.

Disgusting that you openly support human trafficking.

>Look, if you actually want to help marginalized groups, especially in their labor relations, you wouldn't be a Trumpie.

Who said I'm a Trumpie? Not me.

>If we're talking about improving lives for immigrants - newsflash! - the left are the only ones even entertaining that.

Both sides make this exact claim, that they're improving the lives of immigrants. Considering immigrants have made large turns towards the right in the past few years, the numbers speak for themselves.

>If anything, this comment perfectly encapsulates why Republicans are so fucking stupid.

If anything, this comment perfectly encapsulates why Democrats are so fucking stupid.

It's not lost on me that Democrats are once again supporting trafficking in an underclass of exploited noncitizen workers for capitalism.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by const_cast on Monday June 16, 2025 @02:30AM (#44287099)
Look, if you really want to believe that Trump and his administration are disappearing people to torture prisons for humanitarian reasons, then be my guest. If that's the type of extreme delusion you need to foster to sleep well at night with your choices, then fine. More power to you.

But, a warning. It's an argument so unbelievably stupid that nobody will take it seriously. Not just me. Nobody. So, keep that in mind when you feel compelled to pull this one back out of your ass.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by anonfordays on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @11:31AM (#44378468)
Look, if you really want to believe that Democrats are human trafficking and defending child molesters for humanitarian reasons, then be my guest. If that's the type of extreme delusion you need to foster to sleep well at night with your choices, then fine. More power to you.

But, a warning. It's an argument so unbelievably stupid that nobody will take it seriously. Not just me. Nobody. So, keep that in mind when you feel compelled to pull this one back out of your ass.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by HDThoreaun on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @09:24AM (#44247374)
Most of the recent illegal immigrants literally walked 1000+ miles to get here. They are not slaves. Ive talked to quite a few and theyve been incredibly happy to be here.
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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by anonfordays on Thursday June 12, 2025 @12:17PM (#44259465)
Most of the recent slaves literally sailed 1000+ miles to get here. They are not immigrants. Ive talked to quite a few and theyve been incredibly happy to be here.
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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by HDThoreaun on Thursday June 12, 2025 @12:57PM (#44259961)
not by choice

> Ive talked to quite a few and theyve been incredibly happy to be here.

No you havent. 0/10 weak effort

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by anonfordays on Thursday June 12, 2025 @01:34PM (#44260389)
They are trafficked in.

>No you havent.

Neither have you. 0/10 weak effort.

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by matt-attack on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @07:48PM (#44242764)
I guess you didn't see what happened in NYC? Do articles like this sound like, "No one noticed they were here"?

https://apnews.com/article/new-york-migrants-shelter-time-li...

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by amanaplanacanal on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @01:30PM (#44239265)
Because their actions belie that narrative? If they went after employers, people wouldn't be coming here looking for jobs.
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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by ohthatsnotright on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @07:25PM (#44242612)
Can you tell me how all those immigrants "flaunting the law" were affording food and rent, if not for a U.S. citizen paying them for their labor? Why are we not going after those who pay first? Nip the problem in the bud.
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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:06PM (#44242888)
> millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system?

Except these raids aren’t targeting that population. They’re going after the ones paying taxes. To the extent we have folks overburdening the system, it’s largely our native born (and refugees).

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by s1artibartfast on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @01:12PM (#44249674)
Are they? Do we have any statistical information on who is being apprehended and their characteristics?
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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @03:05PM (#44250727)
> Do we have any statistical information on who is being apprehended and their characteristics?

As of Saturday, it was about 118 arrests, 20 of which appeared to have been targeted towards dangerous people [1]. Otherwise, the locations of the raids have been employers, e.g. the garment warehouse [2] and Italian restaurant. I am assuming they aren’t working for free. (To my knowledge, no refugee centres have been raided as part of these actions in LA.)

[1] https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/officials-name-12-ic...

[2] https://abc7.com/post/who-is-ice-arresting-in-socal-raids-7-...

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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by jonplackett on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @07:11AM (#44246339)
It’s not a conspiracy theory to say the powerful’s modus operandi is ‘divide and rule’. It’s been this way for thousands of years.

We gotta stop calling people working hard manual jobs 7 days a week the scroungers and start calling the people working 0 days a week and collecting rent and passive income the scroungers - they are the real drain on society.

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