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Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by fakedang on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @08:31PM (#44187113)
And ironically because OpenAI is actually ClosedAI, the best self-hostable model available currently is a Chinese model.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by anonymousiam on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:11PM (#44187323)
Mistral AI is French, and it's pretty good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_AI

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by fakedang on Thursday June 05, 2025 @06:34AM (#44190263)
I use Mistral often. But Deepseek is still a much better model than Mistral's best open source model.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by mark_l_watson on Thursday June 05, 2025 @08:53AM (#44191210)
Perhaps except for coding? I find Mistral's codestral running on Ollama to be very good, and more practical for coding that running a distilled Deepseek R1 model.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by fakedang on Thursday June 05, 2025 @12:33PM (#44193228)
Oh definitely, Mistral Code beats Deepseek for coding tasks. But for thinking tasks, Deepseek R1 is much better than all the self-hostable Mistral models. I don't bother with distilled - it's mostly useless, ChatGPT 3.5 level, if not worse.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by nfriedly on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @08:38PM (#44187158)
*best with the exception of topics like tiananmen square
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by CjHuber on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @08:47PM (#44187208)
As far as I remember the model itself is not censored it’s just on their chat interface. My experience was that it wrote about it but then just before finishing deleted what it wrote
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by nfriedly on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:00PM (#44187274)
I haven't tried the full model, but I did try one of the distilled ones on my laptop, and it refused to talk about tiananmen square or other topics the CCP didn't want it to discuss.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by Spivak on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @08:50PM (#44187229)
Can confirm the model itself has no trouble talking about contentious issues in China.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by int_19h on Thursday June 05, 2025 @01:16AM (#44188496)
It is somewhat censored, but when you're running models locally and you're in full control of the generation, it's trivial to work around this kind of stuff (just start the response with whatever tokens you want and let it complete; "Yes sir! Right away, sir!" works quite nicely).
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by ileonichwiesz on Thursday June 05, 2025 @07:40AM (#44190621)
What percentage of your LLM use is talking about Tiananmen Square?
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by nfriedly on Thursday June 05, 2025 @08:51AM (#44191195)
Well, for that one, it was a pretty high percentage. I asked it three or four questions like that and then decided I didn't trust it and deleted the model.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by HPsquared on Thursday June 05, 2025 @07:11AM (#44190460)
The only open part is your chat logs.