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Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by bigstrat2003 on Thursday May 29, 2025 @06:57PM (#44131190)
> Perhaps you remember that language models were completely useless at coding some years ago, and now they can do quite a lot of things, even if they are not perfect.

IMO, they're still useless today, with the only progress being that they can produce a more convincing facade of usefulness. I wouldn't call that very meaningful progress.

Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by drdeca on Thursday May 29, 2025 @09:08PM (#44131854)
I’ve found them somewhat useful? Not for big things, and not for code for work.

But for small personal projects? Yes, helpful.

Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by conradkay on Friday May 30, 2025 @12:41AM (#44132919)
It's funny how there's a decent % of people at both "LLMs are useless" and "LLMs 3-10x my productivity"
Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by otabdeveloper4 on Friday May 30, 2025 @09:41AM (#44136143)
> LLMs 3-10x my productivity

x10 of zero is still zero, I guess.

Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by wvenable on Thursday May 29, 2025 @10:21PM (#44132208)
I don't know how someone can legitimately say that they're useless. Perfect, no. But useless, also no.
Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by addaon on Friday May 30, 2025 @11:41AM (#44137330)
> I don't know how someone can legitimately say that they're useless.

Clearly, statistical models trained on this HN thread would output that sequence of tokens with high probability. Are you suggesting that a statement being probable in a text corpus is not a legitimate source of truth? Can you generalize that a little bit?

Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by wvenable on Friday May 30, 2025 @12:39PM (#44137887)
Who said anything about truth? We're talking about usefulness.
Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs by IshKebab on Friday May 30, 2025 @04:46AM (#44134218)
They are very clearly not useless. You haven't given them a fair shake.