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Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by philosophty on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:22PM (#44053781)
This is a sign of OpenAI's weakness.

Altman is desperately trying to use OpenAI's inflated valuation to buy some kind of advantage. Which is why he's buying ads, paying $6.5 billion in stock to Jony Ive, and $3 billion for a VSCode fork created in a few months.

Almost anything makes sense when you see your valuation going to zero unless you can figure something out.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by msukkarieh on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:35PM (#44053943)
Facebook is a great example of doing this and it succeeding very well. Zuck recognized that Facebook was going to zero and bought WhatsApp, Instagram, and Oculus. My guess is that sama sees the writing on the wall and knows that he must expand OpenAI in a similar way.

What happens to OpenAI competitors that can't make similar moves is another question.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by pixelpoet on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:43PM (#44054072)
Let's ignore the 46 billion dollars wasted on the metaverse: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/meta-platforms-has-spent-$46...
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by bigzyg33k on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:46PM (#44054109)
Meta haven't abandoned the metaverse, and made it very clear from the beginning that "the metaverse" was something that does not exist, and will not exist in any form until the end of the decade. They continuously reiterate this during earnings calls, while increasing their capital expenditures on it.

You cannot determine it's a waste if the effort isn't completed, and if you have no insight into their progress.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by asadotzler on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @03:13PM (#44055094)
Certainly the part of those investements wasted on cramming a whole PC into goggles that smash into your face with straps around your head and pretty much all of the Meta and Meta subsidized content to go along with that can be evaluated now, and not in 5 more years. The fact that Quest stalled out 2 years ago with only about 7M actives after tens of billions spent trying to make it go is pretty much all anyone needs to know about Zuck's metaverse investments. Now they're pivoting to glasses with a heads up display and pretending that was the plan all along because Zuck won't admit the cash bonfire that Quest and Horizon Worlds has been, about $100B sunk for only about $15B return with only a few million users.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by bigzyg33k on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:30PM (#44055992)
Based on your comment it's apparent you neither follow the industry closely nor understand it's dynamics. The vast majority of the billions of dollars are being pumped into R&D, not marketing existing legacy devices.

You also seem to be implying in your comment that the orion glasses displayed at connect last year were a last minute pivot, which is a ludicrous statement

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by asadotzler on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @08:26PM (#44057583)
The vast majority went into software development, software that's mostly useless in spectacles. How's Horizon Worlds gonna work in spectacles?
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by bigzyg33k on Thursday May 22, 2025 @04:15AM (#44059892)
No it didn’t. You’re literally just making this up, I worked at RL
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by asadotzler on Wednesday May 28, 2025 @02:55PM (#44119410)
And I'll say again, the vast majority went into software. The Quest line can't be more than about 1/4th to 1/3rd of it and other hardware R&D is less than that. That leaves a majority to software.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by dvngnt_ on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @03:48PM (#44055517)
people always criticize zuck on this, but he's been pretty consistent on long-terms goals with AI and the metaverse working together
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by mrweasel on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @03:27PM (#44055256)
Meta is a profitable business that can afford the R&D budget. I'll agree that it's a stupid way to spend $46 billion, which the average HN commentator could have told them in advance, but hey, it's their money.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by philosophty on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:47PM (#44054112)
Windsurf is not Instagram. Jony Ive's company is not WhatsApp. There are no meaningful network effects or lock in with these AI products.

Ive's company is going to make some forgettable, overpriced, and easily cloned wearable pendant or something equally irrelevant. Windsurf (and Cursor) will quickly fade into irrelevance as IDEs are once again commoditized by open source.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by yeahwhatever10 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:26PM (#44053850)
Agreed. This doesn't look like 4D chess, this stinks of desperation.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by scyzoryk_xyz on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @02:01PM (#44054285)
Weakness that is rooted in blind ambition that is not backed up by any kind of vision.

Which, when you think about it, is really kind of sad. They would have been so much better off as a non-profit.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by bigzyg33k on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:44PM (#44054083)
I completely disagree. This is really just more of the great execution that I've come to expect from Sam Altman.

Core to OpenAI's strategy is that they control not just the models, but also the entrypoints to how these models are used. Don't take it from me, this is explicitly their strategy according to internal documents (https://x.com/TechEmails/status/1923799934492606921).

Some important entrypoints are:

- Entrypoints for layman consumers: They already control this entrypoint due to ChatGPT, the app. They have a limited moat here because they are at the whims of the platform owners, primarily Apple and Google. This is why they are purchasing Ive's startup.

- Entrypoints for developers: They acquired Windsurf, and are actively working on cloud development interfaces such as the new codex product.

- Entrypoints for enterprise: They have the codex products as described above, but also Operator, and are actively working on more cloud based agents.

A rebuttal that I anticipate to the above goes something along the lines of this: "If they have so much capital and dev experience, why are they acquiring these businesses instead of building internal competitors? This is a demonstration of their failure to execute"

The current AI boom is one of the most competitive tech races that has ever occurred. It is because of this, and particularly because they are so well capitalised that it makes sense to acquire instead of build. They simply cannot afford to waste time building these products internally if they can purchase products much further along in their development, and then attach them to their capital and R&D engine

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by mountainriver on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:42PM (#44054043)
Windsurf and Cursor are money factories, that’s not a dumb play, their base will only grow significantly. OpenAI doesn’t have many money factories like google yet.

Paying for Jony doesn’t seem like desperation. Jony has no product that makes money, this is a long term aggressive hardware play. Seemingly to face off with apple.

It feels more like people just want to craft a negative narrative about OpenAI and use the data to fit that

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by cube00 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @03:27PM (#44055243)
Reddit ads too, you know it must be really bad.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by poormathskills on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:32PM (#44053903)
OpenAI does literally anything

“This is a sign of OpenAI’s weakness”

I think this is the third time I’ve seen this exact comment at the top of a HN post about an OpenAI announcement.There is a weird amount of emotional investment in not wanting OpenAI to win.

Personally, I am just excited to see what the device looks like. The prototype must be good to justify this valuation.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by slipnslider on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:37PM (#44053975)
I think a lot of people on here have heard enough stories about how Sam Altman behaves when the cameras aren't looking and dislike him and thus his company.

Also its normal backlash - when something gets so popular so fast, you are going to naturally have some haters.

Lastly actions speak louder than words. OpenAI used to talk about AGI and Super AI and nuclear launch codes and national security. Now they are buying VS Code forks and ad companies.

The AI race is more than heating up and Sama knows it and he's throwing some hail mary's in hopes to keep OpenAI near or at the top.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by moralestapia on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:30PM (#44053889)
Of note, and to support your argument, all of these deals are stock only.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by mlinhares on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:49PM (#44054148)
While I agree the AGI thing is mostly bullshit the whole market is aware that models aren't the end-all-be-all and people will not be making huge profits out of them, all the other big players have other side businesses they can use to upsell the models, OpenAI doesn't and they need to figure something out.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by adamrezich on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:27PM (#44053861)
AGI any day now, though! Any day now.