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Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:02AM (#43894152)
Growing up in the 70s and 80s in Germany, I've been brainwashed by US movies and sitcoms, 90% of the things I've watched was from the US - Magnum P.I, Simon & Simon, The Fall Guy, Kojak, A-Team, Golden Girls, Mary Taylor Moore, Lou Grant, MacGyver, Knight Rider, Night Court, Family Ties, Miami Vice, The Wonder Years, Facts of Life, Love Boat, and on and on and on.

I know the US better than many parts of Germany.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by dagw on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:16AM (#43894246)
I know the US better than many parts of Germany

I read an article years ago from a lawyer (might have been a judge) complaining that, thanks to US TV and movies, people in Sweden know more about how the US justice system works than the Swedish system. Far too many people just fall back on their US TV knowledge of how they think courts work and that they keep having to explain to the people that, no that's not how things works in Sweden.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:19AM (#43894281)
Same with me. I know way too many things about the US justice system - like the difference between prisons and jails, totally irrelevant to my life.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by jaimebuelta on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:47AM (#43894520)
There was a viral clip of someone in a Spanish court saying “objection!”, and the lawyer saying “that’s in the American systems, in the movies!”
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by ecocentrik on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:59AM (#43894646)
To be fair, Americans have the same problem. The US justice system does not perfectly mirror the Hollywood justice system and jurors are constantly reminded of this when they're called to serve on US juries.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by FirmwareBurner on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:01AM (#43895231)
What?! Next thing you'll tell me Dr House doesn't mirror the reality of working in healthcare.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by wink on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:57AM (#43895811)
They often got the "be an asshole to the patient" part down though.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by sjsdaiuasgdia on Monday May 05, 2025 @01:23PM (#43897325)
It's hilarious to watch police body cam footage where an arrested person is screaming that they haven't been arrested properly because it didn't happen the way it happens in movies.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by mvdtnz on Monday May 05, 2025 @02:15PM (#43897827)
I like the ones who scream "I know my rights" when they absolutely do not know their rights.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by AlecSchueler on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @02:23AM (#43902299)
For some definitions of hilarious. It's arguably terrifying that people are so poorly informed by the people in power.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by whizzter on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:14AM (#43894776)
We have very few shows about lawyers/law here because our system is simple (and boring?) enough that there isn't much to make anything interesting about.

IANAL but have taken some intro level course (that usually starts with don't think anything from American shows applies).

1: It's rooted in civil law so the written laws(and their precursor political discussions) are first considered, laws are thus fairly broadly written with specifications where needed. So precedents are mostly only used to disambiguate gray areas in terms of applicability or conflicts between laws. (but precedents rulings are in turn are meant to rely on the precursor political discussions before courts can take their own authority on any subject).

2: Intent is given significance, so 2 parties can enter into fairly "sloppily written" contracts that will be legally binding as long as the intent of the contract is clear, they're signed and doesn't violate any laws (there is law specifically targets obviously unfair contracts, but also other laws that regulate specific areas).

3: Criminal prosecution at the primary level is in front of 3 judges, one professional head judge with law degree that knows laws and 2 "laymen" to represent people in general (usually politically appointed to reflect the people via elections), no juries as the role those serve is handled by the laymen judges.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by jimmydddd on Monday May 05, 2025 @03:08PM (#43898346)
It's actually pretty boring in the US as well. As an attorney, it's always interesting to see US law school applications increase if a "sexy" legal drama becomes popular on TV. I feel bad for those applicants, because 99% of legal work is not as exciting as on TV, the lawyers don't dress as well as they do on TV, and they definitely do not look as attractive as the ones on TV. :-)
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by cardiffspaceman on Monday May 05, 2025 @03:49PM (#43898751)
As a juror I saw a Johnny Cochran-like attorney defend against a Marcia Clark-like prosecutor, in the early 21st century. The judge was nothing like Judge Ito though. There was a car chase, there were videos from the scenes, and DNA evidence was criticized unsuccessfully by an “expert.” Isn’t that what they have on LA Law?
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by whizzter on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @08:49AM (#43904503)
Not surprising.

One serious question is how much precedent research is grounded in possible reality? The "unexpeced-precedent-that-throws-off-the-opposition" and "old-or-savant-legal-expert-who-knows-them-all" tropes in media seems to hinge on them being important, and reading legal rulings on business cases (like those historic ones regarding Nintendo and Sega copy protections or EFF ones) does seem to put some weight on them?

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by carlosjobim on Monday May 05, 2025 @06:04PM (#43899904)
You didn't mention the most important difference: Nordic countries have "free evidence exhibition", meaning that anything and everything is allowed to be presented as evidence in the courts and the judges have total liberty in deciding on how to weigh evidence.

This means evidence such as hearsay or illegally obtained evidence is given the same consideration as real evidence. Resulting many times that the court can sentence an accused that everybody "knows" is guilty, and other times resulting in mind bogglingly insane verdicts.

Another big difference: No plea deals. Which is something very strange about the American justice system.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by whizzter on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @08:57AM (#43904582)
You're right, I mostly mostly pointed out civil rather than criminal law differences since that was what I've gotten studies on and concerned myself with due to having a contracting business.

As for the mind-boggling verdicts those seem to more often stem from the politically appointed judges from the media reporting.

The plea deals part is interesting since it's been more frequently bought up to become legal in relation to combating the rising organized crime (but the perverse incentive problem seems to have kept those discussions from going further so far).

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by carlosjobim on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @09:51AM (#43905124)
I think the most reasonable way is to offer a punishment discount -after- a guilty verdict for those criminals who offer to give up the bigger fish. Having a deal before that just seems wrong, for criminal cases.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by cafard on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:47AM (#43895701)
I have heard of Canadians making the same mistake.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by codingbot3000 on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:12AM (#43894221)
Maybe Germany should have imposed 100% tariff on movies produced in foreign lands :D
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by szszrk on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:22AM (#43894304)
I have a name: call it a "dubbing tax".
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by alexpotato on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:19AM (#43894279)
There was a claim at one point that, due to the popularity of American TV shows in Europe, during household emergencies kids were calling 911 instead of the local version (e.g. it's 999 in some European countries)
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by fellerts on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:20AM (#43894293)
I'd expect 911 to redirect to one of the emergency services in most/all European countries, no?
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by cguess on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:34AM (#43894407)
112 works in the reverse way in the US as well (along with 999 which is the equivalent in many other countries such as the UK). There's not really any reason not to have many numbers just in case. Tourists shouldn't have to memorize, and recall, new numbers in an emergency.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by wink on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:58AM (#43895821)
Hello operator, gimme the number for nine one one!
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by thejazzman on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:54PM (#43901386)
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by cameldrv on Monday May 05, 2025 @06:12PM (#43899947)
The only problem is that at least in Germany, there are two numbers, 110 for the police, and 112 for fire/ambulance.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by eqvinox on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:35AM (#43894421)
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/112

As siblings have commented, 112 and 911 are in the GSM standard. On landlines, only 112 will work in most EU countries (and even that is an EU achievement; e.g. in Switzerland 112 is inconsistent)

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by swiftcoder on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:29AM (#43894367)
No, only in a handful of countries, or on US airbases. 112 is your friend in all of Europe
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by Symbiote on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:13AM (#43894761)
112 should work in almost the whole world on a mobile phone, since it's part of the GSM standard.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by detaro on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:26AM (#43894341)
AFAIK in mobile networks yes (911 and 112 are specified as emergency numbers in the specs and redirected as needed), not necessarily on landlines.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by alexpotato on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:54AM (#43894589)
This is probably the case now as my original post was referring to a situation about 20 years ago (should have clarified)
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by Ralfp on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:26AM (#43894345)
Depends on country but in Poland where I live calling 911 also reaches emergency dispatch even if „valid” number is 112.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:22AM (#43894309)
Why?
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by dagw on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:26AM (#43894335)
Because if someone is obviously trying to contact the emergency services it's probably a good idea to connect them to the emergency services.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by eqvinox on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:27AM (#43894349)
You're answering the wrong question. Why would 911 be "obviously trying to contact emergency services"?
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by ctxc on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:33AM (#43894394)
Prevailing culture.

A kid these days in most urban parts would tend to say "911 I have an emergency" while roleplaying because we hear it so much in popular culture.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by soneil on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:23AM (#43894869)
What else would someone who dials 911 be trying to achieve? And does the benefit outweigh the cost?

911 has enough mindshare that it'd be silly to use it for anything else. And if you're not going to use it for anything, a redirect seems like a very productive way to park it.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by gsinclair on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:33AM (#43894406)
Because US culture is exported around the world.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by Hamuko on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:30AM (#43894374)
Because it's a number used for emergency services in many parts of the world, and not for ordering pizza, plane strikes or whatever.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by eqvinox on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:39AM (#43894452)
Relatively speaking, it actually isn't that popular - check the map on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_...

That's what, 10% of world population? 112 has India going for it…

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by justinrubek on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:55AM (#43894608)
10% sounds incredibly significant. That's nearly a billion people.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by eqvinox on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:35AM (#43894979)
Sure. And in a spherical cow world, assuming you want to make n emergency numbers work, you'd sort by population-using and take the first n.

…but even then 911 would only be an emergency phone number if n ≥ 3; first two places being taken by 112 and 110 (because China).

However, this completely ignores facts like people from China being far less likely to travel to e.g. the US… it's more of a "of the people who'd make emergency calls in XYZ, what numbers would they use" consideration…

…it's really not an easy question. GSM went with 112 and 911 and I guess that's as good as an answer this'll get.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by Rodeoclash on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:28AM (#43894355)
It did in New Zealand in the late 90s
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:22AM (#43894303)
110 (Police), 112 (Ambulance, Fire Department) in Germany.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by bluGill on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:13AM (#43894762)
Why are there two different numbers? When there is an emergency you want people to always do the right thing. Guessing the wrong number to call is not the right thing, and worse 2 numbers means there is great chance you didn't memorize either. This is well studied in human factors.

Besides, anytime the other two are involved the police need to respond too - when there is a fire or medical emergency whoever can get that first can often be very helpful even if they are mostly for a different job. As such this separation seems wrong.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:23AM (#43895494)
"anytime the other two are involved the police need to respond too"

This is not the US, the police does not show up to a fire or an emergency, why would they? They show up to an accident, and when you need an ambulance they will bring one.

The will also not stop and interrogate you when you walk to the side of the road. People usually have no interaction with the police outside of speeding tickets.

"get that first can often be very helpful"

Germany is not full of police patrolling the streets. Gladly we are no longer a police state. Usually I don't see any police for days, often not for weeks. Again, this is not the US. The only time you'll probably see police is going to train stations, airports or big tourist spots (and sometimes at parties that are too loud). In large cities, like Berlin, you might hear a siren and see a police car from time to time, depending on where you are. In smaller <1M people cities, not so.

Germany also has a proper health system and invests in ambulances and health instead of militarizing the police. So I can see your point, but it is irrelevant here.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by marcuskane2 on Monday May 05, 2025 @12:43PM (#43896972)
> the police does not show up to a fire or an emergency, why would they?

Because they're trained first-responders, who have medical first aid training, vehicles with lights and sirens to move quickly through traffic, knowledge of the local area to navigate around road closures or ambiguous location descriptions, etc.

There are many situations where multiple sub-specialties of first-responders (police, firefighters, EMT, etc) are useful. The police aren't just showing up to arrest or shoot people, in a functioning society they can and do provide valuable service in assisting injured people, controlling traffic around car accidents, etc.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by digitalPhonix on Monday May 05, 2025 @01:50PM (#43897607)
A common joke with firefighters: the difference between a training exercise and a real fire scene is the lack of law enforcement getting in the way.

> Because they're trained first-responders, who have medical first aid training

In many parts of the US they are only trained to EMR level (if that) which isn't particularly useful. Most fire departments require everyone to be EMT and will often have a paramedic on board. Where I am, police are all EMR and will rarely be dispatched to a medical call (unless there's a threat of violence). They will be dispatched to vehicle accidents for traffic control.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by bluGill on Monday May 05, 2025 @02:23PM (#43897906)
Where I'm from the police all have a larger first aid kit than is the typical home and they also have AEDs. If there is any change a police officer can arrive before the ambulance or fire department then they will dispatch the police there because seconds might be counting.

Yes the ambulance and fire department is better trained for these things. However basic first aid (CPR) and an AED in the hands of someone with basic first aid training often beats the most trained professional who is arrives just a minute later. So dispatches will get whoever can get to the scene first there, as well as the right people.

Yes the police often are in the way in a fire real scene - but that is a lot better than all the bystanders watching the fire in the way instead. However it is hard to see how bad it could be, while easy to see how bad things are.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @12:32AM (#43901832)
"There are many situations where multiple sub-specialties of first-responders"

I'm not getting the argument, you say a paramedic + doctor is worse than a paramedic + doctor + police when I have a heart attack?

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by jq-r on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:54AM (#43895777)
Yeah its completely stupid.

I've witnessed a lady falling down the stairs banging her head hard, blood everywhere. Called 112 in my country, a guy answered, and I calmly explained what happened, and I wanted someone coming there stat. "Nah" he says, he needs to ask me some questions first. One of the questions was: "is it serious?". This is no joke, I said "yeah, its fucking serious". "Okay" he says, "You should have called emergency services directly, but he'll do me one and connect me anyways(!)".

Then I had to repeat everything again and they've then reluctantly sent a team which by the way arrived in double the time it would take me to get there from their place.

Reminds me of those endless accountability sinks. Nobody gives a shit about anything as there is no accountability.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Monday May 05, 2025 @11:35AM (#43896212)
Sad to hear. Recently called 112 in Germany (small town) and <5 minutes later an ambulance arrived. It wasn't an emergency in the end, but they were happy and friendly and got back to their station.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by tpm on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:21AM (#43894856)
> anytime the other two are involved the police need to respond too

No. When your partner has an urgent medical issue, you call the ambulance, not the police.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by bluGill on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:27AM (#43895536)
You want whoever is time closest to respond as well. While the ambulance is better, the police should have first aid training and a good sized first aid kit. When seconds are counting you are better off with someone partially trained who can get there fast over someone better trained who takes longer.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by dragonwriter on Monday May 05, 2025 @06:43PM (#43900150)
> You want whoever is time closest to respond as well.

If you require the police to respond to all medical emergencies, then you have to fund the police at a level which allows them to do that, often at the expense of funding the people who actually should be responding to a medical emergency.

Taking the attitude that the police must respond to all emergency calls even if the only indication of what capacities are needed are fire and/or ambulance services results in a distortion of local funding which makes emergency response worse (it also results in the police presence itself making the response to other things worse in cases where they were not needed, even considering the resources actually available at the time, without considering the effect of response policy on resource allocation -- police are not always neutral-to-beneficial.)

The fact that it is a common rule in the US does not make it right. The US is very bad, compared to other developed countries, at lots of things.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @12:35AM (#43901844)
In a police state you already have the police funded higher than anyone else. So it does make sense to at least use them for something useful.

In non-police states, you spend your money on a working health system instead.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by dragonwriter on Monday May 05, 2025 @06:39PM (#43900129)
> Besides, anytime the other two are involved the police need to respond too

Police responding to everything whether or not there is an indication that they are necessary, and even (especially) when the indications are that they would be counterproductive is a US quirk with very high costs, not some kind of universal rule.

Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by KingOfCoders on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @12:33AM (#43901839)
Signs of a police state and a failed society.
Re:Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in forei... by tdiff on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @01:59AM (#43902205)
Tbh it always wondered me why baseball or american football are so popular in Germany. Looks like a cultural colonisation, but the country seems to be ok with it.