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Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by pmarreck on Monday April 07, 2025 @07:52AM (#43610229)
It’s easier to be nontoxic when you don’t have to confront the evidence contrary to your echo chamber
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by akie on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:07AM (#43610352)
Everyone can join BlueSky, so why wouldn't they need to confront opposing "evidence"?
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by bakugo on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:14AM (#43610412)
Try joining and posting any political statements that aren't strictly far-left, and you'll find out why pretty fast.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by a_shovel on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:29AM (#43610523)
What did you post? Did you get banned or what?
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by pmarreck on Monday April 07, 2025 @04:53PM (#43615826)
yep, this is what I found. The evidentiary or reasonable basis doesn't matter. You will get shouted down and mass-blocked via shared blocklists, which is an absolutely horrible idea.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by calamity_elf on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:12AM (#43610396)
very easy to block and filter to your tastes.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by akie on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:15AM (#43610423)
As far as I know you can deliberately choose who you follow (like on Twitter) and which algorithm you use to compose your feed (unlike Twitter). It gives me more power to decide what is important to me and what isn't. How is that not an improvement?
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by the_real_cher on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:23AM (#43610482)
Join until banned for some wrong thing post
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by SanjayMehta on Monday April 07, 2025 @07:55AM (#43610261)
Their concept of shared blocklists is quite fascinating; designed to reinforce group think.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by diggan on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:04AM (#43610326)
Since moderation of some sort is pretty essential on the open web today, you can either subscribe to the "group think" of the platform you're currently using (like X/Twitter today), or you could do it the Bluesky way, let people chose what blocklists to follow.

As someone who generally don't do blocklists/mutes/blocking much at all, I know what approach I prefer. I like that people have a choice at least, compared to the alternative approaches.

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by moomin on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:03AM (#43610321)
Actually, shared blocklists originated in the desire to avoid harassment. You can make a case for that being group think if you like, but I doubt you'll convince me.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by SanjayMehta on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:01AM (#43610806)
I think your statement is the very definition of group think.

One person makes a blocklist and everyone else blindly adopts it.

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by pseudalopex on Monday April 07, 2025 @09:38AM (#43611306)
Many people make block lists. And asserting people adopt them blindly is begging the question.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by pmarreck on Monday April 07, 2025 @04:59PM (#43615885)
If this answer is satire, it is very clever.

In practice, shared blocklists are not utilized to stop harassment, they are utilized to enforce ideological conformity and lack of critical-thinking

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by konart on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:05AM (#43610339)
Livejournal had (has?) this concept for 15-20 years.

Just saying.

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by TMWNN on Monday April 07, 2025 @02:33PM (#43614483)
>Livejournal had (has?) this concept for 15-20 years.

... and became irrelevant about 20 years ago.

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by gspr on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:00AM (#43610305)
Would you call it the same when a bunch of your friends recommend you stay away from someone? Or the opposite, introduce you to someone they like?
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by themaninthedark on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:25AM (#43610503)
Only for the most part; people online aren't my friends, there is not enough interaction/depth of interaction to get to really know them and being online tends to turn people into fuckwads(1). They just happen to be you're kind of fuckwads.

(1)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by SanjayMehta on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:58AM (#43610761)
That’s a stretch.

It’s well accepted that people tend to be more unpleasant online, and text doesn’t translate nuance well enough to avoid misunderstandings, no matter how many emojis are assigned to the task.

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by intended on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @02:44AM (#43618981)
Blocklists are used by women quite extensively, to block everything from specific terms to specific harassers and specific communities and topics.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by pmarreck on Monday April 07, 2025 @04:58PM (#43615868)
Being put on a shared blocklist isn't a "stay away from this person"; it's a "tell these thousand people to stay away from these other thousand people regardless of actual basis, because 1 person got offended"
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by i-LINK on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:19AM (#43610454)
An echo chamber, also known as "a community" or "having friends," is basically how most human interaction worked before the Web popularized constant, context-collapsed arguing with various types of reactionaries, conspiracy theorists, bio-essentialists, "race realists," "climate skeptics," etc., about which "evidence" sounds or feels the most correct (rather than what evidence is actually provably correct).
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by pmarreck on Monday April 07, 2025 @04:55PM (#43615847)
Fair enough. I suppose that's one way to look at it. Except perhaps greatly-magnified online.
Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by mrighele on Monday April 07, 2025 @08:29AM (#43610525)
I think it is the opposite. When you are in your echo chamber you don't realize that your view is toxic because what you get is positive feedback and think that it is in fact "normal".

Bluesky has plenty of toxic communities (e.g. the trans one), but hey are on the "good side" of the political spectrum so they get a pass.

Re:Bluesky's Quest to Build Nontoxic Social Media by pmarreck on Monday April 07, 2025 @04:54PM (#43615835)
Yeah, that's exactly the problem I'm referring to.