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Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by LostMyLogin on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @09:39AM (#43556545)
I've been lifting five to six days a week since 2012, with some de-loading periods between, and have had my nutrition and sleep locked in for the majority of that time. Anecdotal of course, but I will still sit here and say that creatine is the only supplement that has actually worked over all those years - in fact, it's the only one I currently take.

I recover so much better when on roughly 5mg of Creatine for an extended period of time versus when I am not taking any. I also very clearly notice added water weight. That recovery leads to better training sessions which in turn leads to increased muscle and strength.

The difference in water retention and recovery is measurable whether doing a PPL or something like Tactical Barbell blocks.. call me crazy.

EDIT: 5g not 5mg

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by world2vec on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @09:49AM (#43556673)
Totally agree with your personal experience.

I'm able to do a few more reps and recover a bit faster between sets and from one session to the next. That will definitely have a positive impact on muscle mass in the medium/long term.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by lowqualityworld on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:18AM (#43556972)
I've had the exact same experience, it took a while for creatine to start truly having an effect but I could see the extra water retention in the mirror and feel it in the gym.

I think this study may have been too flawed to reach a strong conclusion.

> After the 7-day wash-in, both groups followed the same RT program that comprising 3 full-body sessions a week for 12 weeks...

> For all assessments, participants reported to the Exercise Physiology Research Lab (UNSW Sydney, Australia) at the same time of day between 8 h and 9 h following an 8-h fast which included refraining from all liquids except water...

So extra stamina isn't rewarded due to the same workout plan and conventional wisdom on insulin and its effect on muscle absorption of creatine is completely ignored due to the 8 hour fasting period.

This study seems to paint creatine as a magic muscle bullet where it seems to be common knowledge in the fitness community that it aids recovery and stamina. I have my doubts.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by ActivePattern on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @11:28AM (#43557777)
Wouldn't the extra stamina have been rewarded, assuming creatine allowed you to perform extra repetitions? All exercises were done to repetition maximum.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by lowqualityworld on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @11:56AM (#43558124)
You're right, I read that too quickly.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by TomHenderson3 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @01:52PM (#43559322)
You may want to delete your comment as it is spreading misinformation about this study.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @02:38PM (#43559915)
They can't delete the comment because 1) it is past the 2-hour deletion window and 2) it has replies.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by joncrocks on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:44AM (#43557282)
I've been lifting a similar period of time (although only 3 days a week, with some breaks during COVID etc.) and would concur. I have improved intra-workout endurance when taking creatine, i.e. I can do more reps/the last reps feel easier.

Anecdotally I do also notice a cognitive impact when taking it, e.g. I seem to have improved concentration. Or more that when I have stopped taking it I have decreased concentration. Anecdata 1 of 1.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by dmbche on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @09:52AM (#43556697)
I know nothing about this, but in the article they mention that their trial was for 5g a day, but I see you mention 5mg - was that a typo? It's interesting either way - not meant as a jab.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by WXLCKNO on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:04AM (#43556822)
Definitely a typo
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by LostMyLogin on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:09AM (#43556889)
Sorry, yes - typo! I take ~5g.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by markdog12 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:10AM (#43556896)
Similar experience here. Started taking it around a month ago. The strength gains I've had in that short amount of time have been nothing short of shocking to me.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by d0mine on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @09:54AM (#43556714)
The dose is 5g, not 5mg
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by LostMyLogin on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:10AM (#43556892)
Was a typo on my part. Too early to be on HN haha.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by globular-toast on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:24AM (#43557050)
I've never really understood what people mean when they talk about recovery. Is this something you can feel? Or does it mean you couldn't lift the same weights the very next day or something? I lifted consistently for years, no supplements, 1RM around 65kg OHP, 115kg BP, 140kg squat, 200kg DL and apart from immediately after the gym I never felt like I needed to recover. Maybe my volume wasn't high enough? I was very much a 3x5 compound lifts then out kind of guy rather than spending hours in there doing 10 rep sets and accessories etc.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by Kirby64 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @11:13AM (#43557600)
> I've never really understood what people mean when they talk about recovery. Is this something you can feel? Or does it mean you couldn't lift the same weights the very next day or something?

If you've never felt like your body was beat up for 1-2 days afterwards, then I'd suggest you've never pushed your exertion level high enough. You can certainly make good progress relatively far away from failure up to a certain point, but eventually that won't be good enough. I'd suggest your overall volume on the muscle you're hitting probably wasn't high enough. If you're just sticking to 3x5 with a simple progression, then that's pretty limiting.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by jdhendrickson on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:30AM (#43557113)
Yes, if you were not experiencing a need for recovery, you were not providing enough stimulus. I was a powerlifter. there were times when I couldn't walk the next day. recovery is a major factor.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by sollewitt on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:41AM (#43557251)
Generally it’s the time it takes for you to get back to physiological baseline.

If you do a lot of activity, the amount of exertion can be measured in EPOC - how much extra oxygen your body needs for the extra metabolism to support repair (this is when any gains happen, growth, endurance, efficiency). When that’s back to baseline your body has done repairing, you’ve “recovered”.

If you aren’t recovered, your body still hasn’t repaired the damage you’ve done to it in the previous round, and you probably won’t be able to repeat the effort, whichever discipline. You’re digging yourself deeper in a hole. If you keep doing this, that’s overtraining, and you can get worse.

If you never experienced this, congratulations, you were operating inside your body’s natural limits! You may have good genes, and having good sleep and nutrition is probably more important than supplements.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by kjkjadksj on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @12:14PM (#43558299)
Recovery means you can’t walk up stairs after a leg day
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by tekla on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:39AM (#43557231)
I mean your 1RM for any of those lifts isn't particularly interesting if you're around a young man 180-220lbs or so.

You weren't loading enough. At my max weights (600lbs Deadlift, 400lbs Squat, 340 Bench) , I needed to take 2-3 days off minimum

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by globular-toast on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @12:23PM (#43558407)
~160lb, 30yo. I know it's nothing special on the world stage but it's irrelevant because everyone is on gear these days and I've never even taken creatine (got scared about hair loss, lol). I also used to rep out both dips and chinups with 60kg of weight attached which tended to attract attention. But no matter what I did I never felt like I needed to take days off. I remember the DOMS in the very early days of the gym, but that just stopped happening and never came back.

Maybe I wasn't pushing myself hard enough, but I also never got injured. How much more could I have realistically achieved by pushing harder? I don't think much. I got really put off trying so hard when I realised how many people were on gear.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by seadan83 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @01:29PM (#43559120)
DOMS goes away by training again, then comes back. Sounds a lot like overtraining. Always a little fatigued. Enough where you are not able to do a PR, but not enough where you still can't go relatively hard. The body gets used to the moderately hard workouts and can plateau easily.

Were you having issues with plateaus at all?

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by tekla on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @01:20PM (#43559016)
I think you just plateaued which is normal for everyone and just ended up staying there. Most likely a combination of not eating enough and not really pushing to failure to get past it.

If you're repping things with no problem, you're at the your current "optimal" level so yeah, you won't feel like you need to recover.

Like in cardio, I could rip out a half-marathon at a 8:00m pace and feel fine the next day, but try and reach 7:30 and I would be shattered.

At 30, probably better not to try and go too ham, but you have plenty of room to get much stronger. I don't know why other people using gear influenced you. Get fit for yourself, fuck the others.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by globular-toast on Saturday April 05, 2025 @05:32AM (#43592143)
I did get fit and remain so. But I realised chasing higher numbers wasn't for me. I find the refusal to accept the natty limit in lifting weird. I'm stronger than almost everyone and I've proved this with real life useful work like moving house all by myself. Eventually you realise the lifting is just a sport and I don't like sports.

I find the whole thing super fake now. People eating 5 chickens a week that were slaughtered for them in horrible conditions. Burning fossil fuels to move their obese body to the gym every day to go do pretend work in air conditioned boxes. Tell themselves BMI is bullshit and doesn't work for extremely muscular outliers like them and they're just "bulking" and that somehow eating 3000+ calories a day is good for them. Oh and I guess tell themselves that not being able to walk after a workout is somehow good for them.

Nowadays I walk, run and cycle outside, do calisthenics at home, do intermittent fasting every single day, eat delicious food, remain shredded, take no supplements and still have my hair.

Gyms are good for adults to train from the general blob like form we all seem to regress to after childhood into the form they always should have been. I think the ideal would be just maintaining childhood strength all the way into adulthood, so just doing exercise basically. Gyms are only necessary because there are adults with so little functional strength that they'd injure themselves if they tried to do a single dip or lift a box.

Standard strength goals should be being able to walk 30km, 1000m ascent with a 10kg pack. Being able to cycle 100 miles. Being able to lift your own bodyweight from a dead hang. Being able to lift a 100kg box shaped load etc. Real strength.

I'm not saying nobody should do it for a sport, though. I love strongman (specifically World's Strongest Man). But you have to realise to compete there you need to be on copious amounts of gear, just like any other sport. You just have to be real with yourself about what your goals are.

Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by ddorian43 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @10:43AM (#43557280)
But isn't it like 1kg more water retention? How did you notice it?
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by TomHenderson3 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @01:54PM (#43559350)
According to this paper, yes, the 1kg could very well just be water retention, or the increase in lean body mass during the loading period.
Re:Sports supplement creatine makes no difference to muscle ... by vanillax on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @09:59AM (#43556772)
This.. These articles are fake news.