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Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by derbOac on Thursday March 27, 2025 @07:48PM (#43499616)
Kinda undermines the arguments about fentanyl from Canada (as if those were believable to begin with).
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by lazyant on Thursday March 27, 2025 @07:56PM (#43499678)
And the fentanyl "from Canada" story is because there was a seizure up north in the US and was attributed to come from Canada (but may as well be going the other way) and amount was like 0.1% of total apprehensions. Most of the illegal guns in Canada come from the US though.
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by rqtwteye on Thursday March 27, 2025 @07:53PM (#43499648)
It was never believable.
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by almosthere on Thursday March 27, 2025 @07:55PM (#43499664)
Not really since addictions are not breakable with money. Most likely 95% of that money was going to very wealthy NGO owners.
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by lugvruzzle on Thursday March 27, 2025 @08:00PM (#43499704)
What do you mean by 'addictions are not breakable with money'? Are you saying that medical intervention and healthcare are not effective for people suffering addiction?
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by rayiner on Thursday March 27, 2025 @08:11PM (#43499787)
Do you know it works? I’d be curious to know your prior—do you think medical interventions for behavioral problems typically work?

We know, for example, that medical interventions to address obesity typically don’t work (without surgery). https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8427732/

Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by xnx on Thursday March 27, 2025 @09:37PM (#43500455)
> We know, for example, that medical interventions to address obesity typically don’t work (without surgery).

This seems like a wild example to use given the runway success of GLP-1 drugs

Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by rayiner on Thursday March 27, 2025 @10:12PM (#43500709)
Sorry, I’m old and sometimes forget GLP-1 drugs exist now. But that’s kind of my point—those drugs seem like magic because medical interventions for obesity control were so extremely ineffective until just a couple of years ago.

We don’t have anything akin to GLP-1 drugs for opiate addiction, or alcohol addiction, etc.

Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by xnx on Thursday March 27, 2025 @10:30PM (#43500827)
> We don’t have anything akin to GLP-1 drugs for opiate addiction, or alcohol addiction, etc.

Surprisingly, there's some evidence that GLP-1 drugs may also help with drug and alcohol cravings!

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/news-events/research-update/semagl...

Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by nh23423fefe on Thursday March 27, 2025 @08:06PM (#43499757)
Why do people relapse so often if medical intervention works?

A doctor can set 1000 broken legs. Can they cure 1000 addicts?

Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by lugvruzzle on Thursday March 27, 2025 @11:42PM (#43501297)
well the goal of treating addiction is generally not to 'cure' it but to 'manage' it. If you can come up with a way of systematically helping populations of people manage their addictions without using money, I am all ears.
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by meroes on Thursday March 27, 2025 @07:56PM (#43499675)
Doesn’t the show My 600 lb Life show many serious food addictions being broken by expert medical care, which is not free?
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by nh23423fefe on Thursday March 27, 2025 @08:06PM (#43499752)
Doesn't the show demonstrate lots of people who don't lose weight and lie about their intake?
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by almosthere on Thursday March 27, 2025 @07:58PM (#43499694)
Those people will break an addiction for fame. When the show is over, they'll be back to eating.
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by meroes on Friday March 28, 2025 @11:27AM (#43506646)
So you believe these people can break their addiction, and that medical science has no way to leverage that chink in the armor?
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by almosthere on Friday March 28, 2025 @04:25PM (#43509521)
The carrot, which is massive fame, is not present when it's just a psychologist.
Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by xracy on Friday March 28, 2025 @02:43AM (#43502258)
"very wealthy NGO owners."

Can you name a very wealth NGO owner that's not working with this administration. Or describe what you see as a problematic NGO?

It's wild to me that people think NGO owners might be a problem when the richest man in the world is working with this administration to slash this budget arbitrarily.

But I guess "deflect, deny, depose".

Re:US administration revokes $11B in funding for addiction, ... by orionsbelt on Thursday March 27, 2025 @08:39PM (#43500003)
Why? I can understand the argument that this administration is wrong and will make things worse, but I don't think they are inconsistent arguments.

The right seems to be of the view that a policy closer to Singapore is smarter than that of, say, San Francisco.

In other words, increase penalties/enforcement of drug importation and treat drug dealers harshly, instead of spending lots of money on services for drug users, which arguably just leads to enabling them to continue to lead the life of a drug addict.

From my perspective, there's pros and cons to both approaches, but it's not unreasonable to look at a place like San Francisco and come away with the view that some of this funding is making things worse, not better, even for the addicts themselves.