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Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by diddlybopshubop on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @12:37PM (#43484061)
Modern humans did. Other human species left Africa and populated the rest of the old world much, much earlier.

I'm not up-to-date on my research these days but it's only within the last 10K years or so (maybe even more recent) where there's been one extant human subspecies.

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by kbrannigan on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:14PM (#43484442)
What if the literature of God Created men(mankind) in his image came to differentiate Homo sapiens from others.

Or the history really began once the other Humans were no more ?

Just passing thoughts

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by cdblades on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:37PM (#43484646)
There are at least several thousand years between the last non-modern human hominids dying out and the first writing emerging.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by nkoren on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @03:13PM (#43485819)
About 20,000 years in fact.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by IAmBroom on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @02:01PM (#43484921)
I've been thinking about this a lot, by coincidence, as I read Unsong by Scott Alexander (unsongbook.com). It's a beautifully written somewhat comic and somewhat tragic story about the kabbalic-turned-capitalist search for the powerful Names of God.

It occurred to me that, if the Abrahamic God exists, and the origin of Adam is anything more than a mere metaphor, God must have had to make a decision at some point. "There!", He/She/It said as the last vital chromosome fell into place in generation Aleph-1, "All this work is finally done. Whew! I could use some rest." Or something.

But maybe it's all metaphor (except for the God existing part). Maybe the Garden of Eden was Us (big-us, all the hominids) co-existing without technology, and the rise of flint-knapping/agriculture/representational art/whatever was the "eating of the fruit and gaining of knowledge".

Or any other variation you like, as long as you're not intentionally bound from thinking by a literalist view of the Torah's Book of Genesis. In which case, I have bad news: "Adam" wasn't even named that in the early writings, presumably closer to God's word. So, your translation is a bad start for you.

So, maybe the "Twelve Tribes of Israel" are themselves metaphoric for the whole set of hominin branches. Maybe "Ham" was Paranthropus. Accepting that "seven" in the bible sometimes implies "an important big number", maybe "seven" generations later (give or take a few 100) Paranthropus died out completely. Poor Ham. He was just checking to make sure Dad didn't oversleep.

Or maybe, there is no God, and it's just fun to play with myths, which are culturally powerful.

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by dmonitor on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @05:09PM (#43487338)
It's not hard to see how "leaving the garden" can be interpreted as us leaving nature. We're the only animal that doesn't really jive with the rest of the ecosystem.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by jdthedisciple on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @06:09PM (#43487996)
> "Adam" wasn't even named that in the early writings, presumably closer to God's word.

Citation needed. What was he named in the early writings?

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by IAmBroom on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @11:17PM (#43490069)
Thank you for calling me on this.

He seems to have been "Adamah", or "dirt" - which is not far removed from "Adam", I'll grant.

But "Eve" is the one that really changed. She was named by Adam "Ishah", feminine version of "ish"/man. Or maybe "Chivah", a variation on the Hebrew word for life. I'm not clear. Then the Greeks made her "Zoe".... Fast forward a few hundred years, and a couple languages, and it becomes "Eve".

An early computer translating program took "out of sight, out of mind" to Russian and back, and returned "invisible insanity". A fairly reasonable translation, in some respects.

My point is really this: Biblical literalists who only read it in their native tongue are making indefensible claims about meaning.

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by kingofthehill98 on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:01PM (#43484301)
The craziest thing for me is that there's a lot of evidence for claiming that Sapiens interbred with other Homos, such as the Neanderthal.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by wincy on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @02:19PM (#43485152)
If you’ve seen Star Trek the Original Series it shows you precisely how much humans are into humanoid subspecies. They could be green for all a dude who hasn’t seen a woman in a week could care!
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by thaumasiotes on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @04:46PM (#43487117)
> They could be green for all a dude who hasn’t seen a woman in a week could care!

Not a great example; the green women are specifically shown to exert pheromonal control over alien males.

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by IAmBroom on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @11:18PM (#43490081)
I can't smell them on TV, and Vina the Orion still had a lot of control over me.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by danielbln on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:03PM (#43484323)
Why is that crazy? Looking at human history, this doesn't come as much of a shock, does it?
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by checkyoursudo on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:06PM (#43484349)
Humans do like to fuck.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by dmd on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @04:58PM (#43487240)
rishathra
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by gigachad69 on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:29PM (#43484570)
a lot of evidence as in most europeans, eurasians and east asians have some percentage of neanderthal genes in their DNA
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by dyauspitr on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:06PM (#43484354)
Interbred is putting it mildly. More like killed the men and raped all the women. This was repeated again with the Yamnaya from the Caucasus a few millennia ago where they again killed all the men and raped all the women.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by im3w1l on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @01:33PM (#43484614)
How certainly do we actually know that? If the evidence you claim is that there are no Y-chromosomes from other hominids, an alternative explanation could be that hybrids with Y-chromosomes from other hominids did exist, but disappeared gradually over the centuries/millenia either because they were less fit or through pure chance.

Are there any now living people with mt-dna from other hominids?

Having a minority non-autosomal genotype could be an issue as there might be recurring "compatibility problems", given that the autosomal dna would mainly evolve to work with the majority mtdna and ydna.

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by ginko on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @02:13PM (#43485087)
The genetic evidence points into the other direction:

> There is considerably less Neanderthal ancestry on the X-chromosome compared to the autosomal chromosomes, which similarly suggests that admixture with modern humans was primarily the result of mating between modern human females and Neanderthal males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_genetics#Parentage

Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by IAmBroom on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @11:20PM (#43490088)
Chicks dig those big, furry eyebrows.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by encipriano on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @05:08PM (#43487334)
Isnt neanderthal sapiens. Also, not all modern humans
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by IAmBroom on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @11:19PM (#43490084)
"sapiens" is our species name. They are Homo neanderthalis, so they are Homo, which is probably what you were intending.
Re:Fragment of a human face aged over one million years disc... by thaumasiotes on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @04:45PM (#43487105)
> Other human species left Africa and populated the rest of the old world much, much earlier.

Usually those would be called hominids, not humans.