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Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by armchairhacker on Monday March 24, 2025 @11:36AM (#43462253)
Although it sounds very bad, there’s actually a good argument for paying disabled workers below-minimum wage:

- Disabled people get paid (what is supposed to be, but not actually, a living wage) by the government, so they aren’t living on the wage.

- No company would hire them if they were forced to pay minimum wage, because companies are greedy and would always hire a more productive non-disabled worker.

- Many disabled workers want to work not for the pay, but because they enjoy the work and/or want to feel productive. As stated, they get paid by the government, so in theory they don’t have to work if they don’t want to.

With the caveat that disability payments outside of work should be raised, so that nobody (disabled or not) feels like they must work a too-boring or too-hard job to afford a decent standard of living (unless absolutely necessary for society to subsist, but that’s another discussion)…I think it’s a great practice.

Maybe there are good arguments against it, but a good argument needs to provide the full context.

Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by Iulioh on Monday March 24, 2025 @11:44AM (#43462357)
My counterargument would be:

If it is bellow ""living wage"" it should not be allowed.

(that was easy)

You can find other workarounds to incentive the hiring of disabled people and we (in italy) have a few:

-Requirement of medium and big firms to hire them (reduced ability, they can still perform)

For example where i work there is a janitor that has dawn syndrome and an IT guy with dwarfism

-tax breaks (so the worker still get paid minimum wage but to the company he costs less)

Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by armchairhacker on Monday March 24, 2025 @12:20PM (#43462742)
The point is that the in theory, workers receive above living wage, even though the company pays below, because they also get paid by the government. (I'm arguing for the theory; in the US it's not true, but also in the US even minimum wage is below living).

However, tax breaks sound better.

I worry that requiring companies to hire disabled workers, instead of just making it profitable to do so, would cause more workers to be abused. Every method has some abuse from bad actors, but a requirement specifically influences companies who wouldn't hire disabled workers even if they could assign zero tasks to them and financially benefit.

Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by marky1991 on Monday March 24, 2025 @11:50AM (#43462415)
How is that an argument? That's just a position with no defense.
Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by themaninthedark on Monday March 24, 2025 @01:12PM (#43463231)
It ironically fits in with the article :)
Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by Iulioh on Monday March 24, 2025 @03:33PM (#43464611)
It's an argument in the same way "human rights" are an argument.

Can we justify giving disable people less rights?

Sure.

Let me tell you _a modest proposal_ .

Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by gadders on Monday March 24, 2025 @12:43PM (#43462949)
Yes, there was debate about this in the UK. If a disabled person can only do one widget per hour, and an able-bodied can do 10, what is the correct wage for that disabled person?

If you think they should both be paid the same, who should pay the additional cost?

Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by chuckadams on Monday March 24, 2025 @02:49PM (#43464204)
> If you think they should both be paid the same, who should pay the additional cost?

The taxpayer, in the form of a direct wage subsidy. Comes out to virtually nothing compared to the amount of corporate welfare we shovel out every day. The company still isn't compelled to hire the disabled person if they won't be effective on the job, but companies that were inclined to hire them before still will, pay the same amount as before, and we taxpayers will pay the price tag of a bomber or two to ensure that some people have some independence and dignity.

Which of course is why such a thing will never happen here.

Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by gowld on Monday March 24, 2025 @04:28PM (#43465073)
As mentioned on this very thread, "such a thing" is exactly what happens "here", but without you impractical demand to track the productivity of a worker with government-recognized sub-par productivity.
Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by BobaFloutist on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @03:15PM (#43474756)
Right but minimum wage exceptions invariably end up with disabled people getting paid 1/10 minimum wage to do 9 or 10 widgets an hour.
Re:The Great Hobby Lobby Artifact Heist by giraffe_lady on Monday March 24, 2025 @04:30PM (#43465102)
idk I read all that and it still sounds very bad to me.