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Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by haunter on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:30AM (#43409445)
Pretty dehumanizing especially calling the yet not internet users “naked apes”

> I am one of those despicable people who believe that IQ not only exists but matters. From the origin of the Internet through the mid 1990s, I'd estimate the mean IQ of Internet users as about 115. Today it's probably somewhere around 100, the mean in Europe and North America. The difference you see in the Internet of today from that of ten years ago is what one standard deviation (15 points) drop in IQ looks like. But the mean IQ of the world is a tad less than 90 today, and it's expected to fall to about 86 by 2050. So, when the digital divide is conquered and all ten billion naked apes are wired up, you're looking at about another standard deviation's drop in the IQ of the Internet. Just imagine what that will be like.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by someperson on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:10AM (#43409700)
If everybody is connected to the internet, shouldn't the mean and median IQ be exactly 100?
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by rorytbyrne on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:21AM (#43409771)
He thinks the IQ of white people (North America and Europe) is 100. He’s implying the rest of the world are lower IQ.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by sshine on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @06:07AM (#43410050)
The average IQ of North America and Europe is approximately 100.

More precisely, somewhere in the range 97-105, depending on the study.

> He’s implying the rest of the world are lower IQ.

He couldn't be implying that. The rest of the world would necessarily average to 100 for the average of the whole world to be 100, when North America and Europe averages 100.

It happens that the rest of the world varies wildly.

A country like United Arab Emirates has an average IQ of around 97, so similar.

And a country like Morocco has an average IQ of around 67. Average!

The average of middle eastern countries is around 85.

Several Asian countries pull up the average significantly.

China and South Korea are at around 104-107, depending on the study.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by tptacek on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:17PM (#43414006)
There are no actual studies that provide this kind of country-by-country data on average IQ, only Richard Lynn's fabricated data, which has become folkloric on the Internet.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by joshuaissac on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:52PM (#43414434)
> And a country like Morocco has an average IQ of around 67. Average!

I don't think that this claim is credible. It comes from Lynn & Becker, who also have Nepal's average IQ at 43,[1] which is in the range where someone with that IQ would be considered mentally disabled, with limited capacity for independent life. That cannot be reconciled with the employment rate in Nepal. And according to Lynn & Becker, the average person from Nepal, Liberia and Sierra Leone has an IQ that puts them in that category.

1. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-i...

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by tptacek on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @02:56PM (#43415981)
The truth is that no study that would generate these numbers plausibly has ever been conducted. There is no country-by-country, apples-to-apples international IQ test database. IQ tests are a diagnostic measure, so if you're going out into the field looking for lots of test results, you're either drafting off large-scale psychometrics work done in and by wealthy countries, or you're pulling from mental and developmental health institutions where tests were administered to diagnose patients.

That's exactly what Lynn did: he has "good" IQ data generated for-purpose by the research communities in developed countries, and just uses IQ data from, essentially, mental health institutions elsewhere. He presents these data sets as apples-apples equivalent.

It gets worse: for what should be obvious reasons, there are lots of countries where it isn't easy to get any such data. Lynn doesn't try; instead, his team takes data from neighboring countries and extrapolates.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by sshine on Thursday March 20, 2025 @04:05AM (#43420711)
Thanks for clarifying that; I didn’t check my sources. For comparison, 81-85 IQ points is where the US disqualifies you four being unable to follow basic training. And 75 IQ points considers you mentally retarded. So for a country average to be way below the retard limit is unlikely.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by fc417fc802 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @06:14AM (#43410098)
The only thing he clearly stated is that he thinks the global average isn't 100. That could imply miscalibration depending on how you think the metric ought to work. He's also implied that he thinks the correlation between internet usage and high IQ is stronger the farther back you go.

Both of those things seem like fairly reasonable hypothesis to me. You are the one inserting race into it.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by pixodaros on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @11:45PM (#43419734)
The blogger says that the average IQ in Europe and North America is 100 but that "the mean IQ of the world is a tad less than 90 today, and it's expected to fall to about 86 by 2050." So the blogger thinks that some races are much stupider than Europeans, and that if their share of the global population rises, average intelligence will fall. That sure sounds like he thinks this is a genetic difference and not poverty, disease, or lack of education.

The blogger cites a website which cites Richard Lynn for these 'facts'. So this is about race and IQ, quod erat demonstratum.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by milesrout on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:10AM (#43420239)
Differences in average IQ between countries is well established and not even controversial AFAIK. What they mean is debated. Their existence cannot really be debated at all.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by fc417fc802 on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:30AM (#43420297)
IIRC it correlates very strongly with socioeconomic factors, at least within the US. That doesn't make it useless but it does raise an awful lot of questions.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by milesrout on Thursday March 20, 2025 @08:14AM (#43422073)
The direction of causation between IQ and economic success is pretty difficult because they obviously drive each other.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by fc417fc802 on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:27AM (#43420288)
> So the blogger thinks that some races ...

You are misrepresenting the author. He made no such claim. He did not articulate what he believes the underlying mechanism to be.

It would be perfectly reasonable to inquire about the mechanism, or question the accuracy of the prediction. It is not reasonable to make accusatory conjectures about his beliefs.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by pixodaros on Friday March 21, 2025 @12:37AM (#43431898)
The blogger is repeating (with citation) a claim by Richard Lynn, and by the end of his life Richard Lynn was open about being a 'scientific' racist who believed that different races had genes which caused large differences in average intelligence
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by wegfawefgawefg on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:42AM (#43409528)
naked ape refers to all humans. you misread it. stop looking to be offended.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by haunter on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:56AM (#43409614)
Sorry I was too low IQ to understand the reference, my bad
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by robertlagrant on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:13AM (#43409721)
It said "ten billion naked apes". Clearly talking about everyone (in a few years' time).
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by wegfawefgawefg on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @09:54AM (#43412039)
you naked ape. hahahaha
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by mpweiher on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:35AM (#43409476)
"naked apes" are humans. Us. All of us. Not "not yet internet users".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Ape

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by pyrale on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:23AM (#43409783)
Not exactly. Interpreted charitably, in the context, it could be replaced by "the unwashed masses".

The author seems to have harboured the idea that internet was good only back when it was for a select few. I don't know how he reconciled that with his apparent distaste for gated communities.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by lynx97 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @06:11AM (#43410074)
Ethernal September is actually a thing, so he isn't that wrong. I get the aversion towards elitism... But those of us who used the Internet in the 90s still know what happened when the "masses" started to flood it.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by acheron on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:10PM (#43413879)
The original Eternal September was about AOL users getting access to Usenet in 1993. And yet, “people on AOL in 1993” would easily be in, what, the top 5% in quality of Internet users today? Maybe higher?

Hell, your “masses” flooding the Internet in the later 90s were still much better than the population now.

And here’s this guy writing about how bad things had gotten in 2004. Buckle up, buddy: you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Imagine what brave new world the future holds. Never assume things are so bad that they can’t get worse.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by fc417fc802 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @06:37AM (#43410249)
Gated communities arbitrarily bar your entry. That is categorically different from having some minimum standard which anyone is welcome to make an attempt at.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by blitzar on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:34AM (#43409847)
> The author seems to have harboured the idea that internet was good only back when it was for a select few.

I mean ... not wrong.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by InsideOutSanta on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:51AM (#43409942)
But the decline is not because "stupid people" started using it. The reason is that more people started using it, which made it of tremendous commercial interest and brought all of the dysfunctions of an unregulated free market.
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by ricdl on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:35AM (#43409478)
I guess he did end up abandoning the internet afterall
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by cookie_monsta on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @04:45AM (#43409545)
As shall we all one day
Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by p3rls on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:20PM (#43414045)
Who cares that the whole is getting dumber? I thought that was the entire idea behind the internet? I didn't create it either and my IQ isn't in the 150s-- it got dumber when it let me on, too.

The problem with the internet today is that the top (i.e. google) is going along with the bottom, the so-called enshittification. They are promoting the types of people this article is complaining about into direct visibility with its monopoly powers on search and discovery.

It's in my niche, of course too. People from India with no connection to the industry and just a wordpress are the #1 query for almost every result for the past ten years. It's nuts. My niche is at the forefront of the enshittification, but soon this will be your niche too.

Google basically kills off every consumer webapp like this to promote garbage wordpresses, content from the hindustantimes and other virtual detritus onto your browser. Look at r/SEO, are they focused on creating quality or scamming people? I'll give you a hint, research their mods' SEO websites. Yet Google cannot seem to get enough of it.

I think it's far from determined that web4 will be web2 but with more third world-problems but it's not looking great for the people who are building consumer apps right now.

Re:The Intenet Slum: is abandoning the Internet the next big... by pvg on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @02:02PM (#43415348)
calling the yet not internet users “naked apes”

It's almost certainly just a wanky way to say 'human', an allusion to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Ape