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Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by echoangle on Monday March 17, 2025 @06:45PM (#43393504)
This form of navigation is probably only accurate enough for nuclear weapons, you’re not going to get meter-Range CEPs with that. You probably have to select a city you want to hit.
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by aerostable_slug on Monday March 17, 2025 @07:02PM (#43393636)
This is a very good read on the state of the art when it comes to submarine-launched missile accuracy, which are presently inertially guided with a stellar update during flight.

https://thebulletin.org/2017/03/how-us-nuclear-force-moderni...

Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by echoangle on Monday March 17, 2025 @07:07PM (#43393676)
Thanks for the link, very interesting. So CEP is estimated to be around 100m. Better than I thought but I wouldn’t call it hitting a specific house yet.
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by ants_everywhere on Monday March 17, 2025 @09:22PM (#43394774)
What do you consider the primary benefit of pinpointing a particular house in nuclear war?
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by Game_Ender on Monday March 17, 2025 @10:34PM (#43395184)
I don’t know if it matters now but at some point certain targets were hardened to near misses of certain sizes but not direct strikes. So the better your accuracy the smaller the weapon (or fewer) you can use to take out those targets.

So you could say the use would be increased certainty your enemies command and control and other bunkers would be destroyed increasing the odds of “winning” whatever happens afterwards.

Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by layla5alive on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @01:04AM (#43395961)
There is no "winning" in global thermonuclear war... :/
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by echoangle on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @06:05AM (#43397545)
That’s why I said the guidance is only really usable for nuclear weapons. I wasn’t saying the guidance is bad, I was saying it’s not accurate to a few meters.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43393504

Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by ants_everywhere on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @01:17PM (#43401986)
Oh you're right, my bad. I got lost in the conversation and looking into the types of guidance systems and I forgot that was your original point.
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by cogman10 on Monday March 17, 2025 @06:52PM (#43393561)
While you probably can't target a cigarette butt on the street, you could definitely hit a building. Especially if the ICBM is paired with image recognition (which it has already for star nav) and/or backup positioning mechanisms like cell tower locations or well-known broadcasting tower locations (think television stations).
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by echoangle on Monday March 17, 2025 @07:02PM (#43393634)
An ICBM is coming in at hypersonic speeds in the terminal phase, you’re not going to guide it anywhere using cell tower signals. The guidance is done much earlier.

And I would doubt image recognition for ground features would make it that accurate, too. Before reentry, you’re very high and fast and reentry isn’t that predictable to get you accurate enough to hit a house. And during reentry, you’re not going to see anything though plasma. And after reentry, you probably don’t have enough time and control authority to still guide into a specific house.

ICBM guidance is very different from cruise missiles.

Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by alienthrowaway on Monday March 17, 2025 @07:33PM (#43393909)
> An ICBM is coming in at hypersonic speeds in the terminal phase, you’re not going to guide it anywhere using cell tower signals.

Hypersonic glide ICBMs have been successfully tested by China, and are under development in the US, so it's entirely possible to maneuver, and optionally guide them in the terminal, though perhaps not advisable on a jammable channel, except perhaps as an anti-radiation weapon.

Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by datadrivenangel on Monday March 17, 2025 @07:32PM (#43393898)
Yeah that would work for drones and slow cruise missiles but not ICBMs.
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by dzhiurgis on Monday March 17, 2025 @08:57PM (#43394598)
Quantum navigation is likely to be more precise.
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by Galatians4_16 on Monday March 17, 2025 @11:45PM (#43395565)
Down to the Planck scale?
Re:Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers by twobitshifter on Monday March 17, 2025 @09:44PM (#43394921)
well there is this now as well - you don’t need to use the stars when you already have detailed aerial images of the earth - https://www.spectacularai.com/gps-free