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Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by Hikikomori on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @07:22PM (#43338188)
At this point all China needs to do is the gaben strategy, doing nothing while America keeps shooting itself in the foot. Trump seems to have unlimited bullet supply.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by regularization on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @07:44PM (#43338369)
This occurred to me. April 2001, US Navy plane crashes into Chinese J8 jet, kills pilot, lands on Hainan Island without authorization. Maybe Bush was looking for a way to boost war profiteer budget. Got the chance when 5 Saudi Arabians who didn't want US bases in their country flew into the Pentagon. US gets embroiled in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Starts up again, US going to the other side of the Pacific and being aggressive. 2014 Victoria Nuland's Euromaidan happens, and problems in the Ukraine in 2014. Then more problems in 2022.

Calms down again, then the US starts arming Israel's Gaza genocide in 2023 more heavily. US soldiers killed off the coast of Yemen, which is doing a humanitarian intervention to help the Gazans.

The US world imperial stretching keeps having eruptions in tge colonized client states. Meanwhile the Standing Committe of the Politburo of the Communist Party of China keeps growing their country more and more.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by Hikikomori on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @07:56PM (#43338480)
The US has certainly wasted much of their wealth since the end of ww2 trying to keep their imperialism 2.0 going.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by pfdietz on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @09:37PM (#43339113)
Isn't this what Trump is trying to rectify now?
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by xethos on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @03:16AM (#43340636)
Trump is discussing annexation of my country. Maybe you're thinking of Imperialism 1.0?
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by pfdietz on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @07:13AM (#43342002)
I was thinking of talk of pulling out of NATO.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by Hikikomori on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @09:06AM (#43342807)
What I talked about was not NATO actions though.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by linkregister on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @09:01PM (#43338897)
> This occurred to me. April 2001, US Navy plane crashes into Chinese J8 jet, kills pilot, lands on Hainan Island without authorization

An interesting interpretation of events. Let's continue.

"Then the air crew donates their airframe & technology to the Chinese Communist Party. And when they return they come up with a lie that they had been buzzed several times by the J8 pilot until the crash. Also they faked distress calls recording it. All to prove that the United States is a paper tiger intent on disrupting the Chinese people's rightful claim to all East Asian territory."

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by dluan on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @08:31AM (#43342520)
Maybe you don't remember that only 2 years earlier the US CIA "mistakenly" bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, killing three Chinese government workers and nearly sparking war, with Bill Clinton personally calling to apologize.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by linkregister on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @11:42PM (#43350195)
It really is interesting to see this point of view. Are apologies admissions of guilt in your family/hometown? Do you think it was in the United States' interest to destroy the embassy of a non-belligerent in that war?
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by UltraSane on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @09:30PM (#43339069)
I really do wonder how people develop a worldview as warped as yours.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by HFguy on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @09:53PM (#43339200)
The account was created 3 months ago. Might be actual person. But also might be troll or bot.

I do know real people that hold views like this, but they also apply similar lens to other large countries with global footprint. So at least a consistent approach.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by Sabinus on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @03:05AM (#43340589)
I agree. With how much time we collectively spend online, money spent on online propaganda would be extremely high value for money for belligerent governments.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by jcranmer on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @09:40PM (#43339126)
> Yemen, which is doing a humanitarian intervention to help the Gazans.

Firing rockets indiscriminately at ships is not even in the same planet as humanitarian intervention.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @09:31AM (#43343063)
Also, the Houthis are a paramilitary party, not the Yemeni state.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by jimbob45 on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @08:24PM (#43338651)
How does Valve put out one of the worst releases of all time in Artifact and not get dragged through the coals ever for it? The only working strategy Valve has succeeded in running in the last 10 years is making passive income from Steam and that won't last forever.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by HFguy on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @09:54PM (#43339203)
Think this was posted in the wrong thread?
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by wcarss on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @10:17PM (#43339306)
> the gaben strategy

this was a reference to Gabe Newell and Valve

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by nicoburns on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @10:03PM (#43339237)
If the goal was "be better than the US" then sure. But presumably their strategy is aimed at actually improving their country as it is for it's own people to live in. Much of which has nothing to do with the US.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by AtlasBarfed on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @10:07PM (#43339255)
Why would you presume that? CCP has become far more autocratic, and the goals of autocracy:

1) maintain the autocracy

2) have a strong police to preserve the autocracy from rebellion

3) have a good enough economy to defend the autocracy from external threats

... ten more "for the autocracy" points ...

improving the country for the people

Also, Zeihan overselling or not, China is facing an unprecedented demographic decline. So to the parent comment about "not doing anything and winning", honestly the US can do the same and watch China implode demographically.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by decimalenough on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @10:30PM (#43339360)
CCP under Xi has reverted to form after some temporary loosening up, but it's still way less autocratic than it was during the Mao era.

Also, the CCP ultimately derives its legitimacy from materially improving the country for the Chinese people: back in the day fighting back against the Japanese and corrupt warlords, now economic progress. Both the Chinese people and the CCP know well what it means if they stop delivering and the "Mandate of Heaven" expires.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven

China's demographic decline will take decades and unless the CCP really fucks things up (eg. invading Taiwan and failing miserably at it), it's going to be a Japan/Korea-style slow-motion stagnation, not a dramatic implosion.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by AtlasBarfed on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @03:12AM (#43340617)
Mao killed 50-60 million people with starvation.

Yeah I hope he's better than that

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by immibis on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @06:24AM (#43341651)
Interesting tangent to bring up. How many people does America kill?
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by AtlasBarfed on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @12:48PM (#43345150)
Mao killed his own people. The only possible historical analogue is what USSR argued about missing people from the Great Depression.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by Hikikomori on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @03:10PM (#43346656)
US mostly kills people outside its borders.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by skyyler on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @05:04PM (#43347659)
The closest analogue would be the culling of the buffalo, an intentional effort to destroy the food supply of the natives.

Americans don't like to acknowledge this.

But even that's a little different. Application of new farming practices is not an intentional genocide. The culling of the buffalo was an intentional genocide.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by ActorNightly on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @10:35PM (#43339387)
I mean, US was the shining beacon of supposedly the best capitalistic policies are, but look at where it got us.

Meanwhile, China has been getting better and better, looking at US as an example, and correctly avoiding providing the "freedoms" given to us in US in avoiding the same fate.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @02:26AM (#43340440)
I'm a strong China hawk. But Beijing currently has an opportunity to craft a global alliance that balances the U.S. in a way that America has historically excelled at. Put another way, the idiots who voted this man in have turned America into an Axis power.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by roenxi on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @03:04AM (#43340587)
That is normal; the world worked that way prior to 1990.

The real change is that the US economy isn't obviously superior to the next however many economies combined. Consequently the US is losing the ability to impose its opinions on others as fundamental truths. It looks like everyone in the West will have to re-learn negotiation and it'll probably be a rocky process.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @01:13PM (#43345411)
> the world worked that way prior to 1990

Sort of. I’d move the needle to the 1970s, when Soviet power was on an obvious downside. Realpolitik would dictate, at that time, for Europe and Asia to balance America. But we were a good ally. So balancing wasn’t seen to be necessary.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by roenxi on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @05:20PM (#43347797)
> So balancing wasn’t seen to be necessary.

Wasn't seen as possible, an important distinction. The Australian experience so far is the US demands we ... basically commit war crimes every so often. Or whatever the term is for invading countries without justification. It is a lot like being good friends with a shark; it is important to keep them pointed at other things and the shark isn't ever going to go out of its way for you unless it is hungry and the friendship is ending.

The world was probably better for us when the US was unconstrained by reality; but the reality is the US have been behaving very irresponsibly for decades. Trump is on the upper end of the presidential scale in recent history, the world can't cope with another Bush or Biden. Obama might have been able to get better diplomatic results.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by downrightmike on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @10:59PM (#43339534)
Sadly, they really need to start consuming 100x what they are currently to even have a shot
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by t-3 on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @03:31AM (#43340695)
That would make American businesses very happy, but what would be so good for China? There's a reason they made the decision to artificially suppress domestic consumption in favor of building a strong manufacturing base and export-focused economy, and it seems to be working well for them.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by echelon on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @03:33AM (#43340709)
It looks like China is quickly becoming a domestic consumer economy.

Look at BYD sales and Ne Zha 2.

Their gaming industry and entertainment industries are starting to pull ahead of the US.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by consteval on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @02:29PM (#43346245)
Hyper-consumerism took off in the US because it’s a false economic indicator. It makes lines go up, but doesn’t materially improve anyone’s lives.

We’re seeing the effects of ~70 years of hyper-consumerist behavior. It worked for a while, but now the costs have accumulated. There’s shit everywhere, and everything either breaks or is poison. Or both.

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by DrFalkyn on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @10:37AM (#43343742)
Chinas demographics are a ticking time bomb

They’ve also massively overinvested in sectors like real estate

But maybe if Drumpf screws up the US enough, they will be able to weather these problems

Or perhaps AI will get so good it won’t matter

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @11:02AM (#43344009)
China is automating [1], they know the demographics dividend is ending. More industrial robots are built and sold in China than anywhere else in the world. They are going high tech [2], and will outcompete the US in high tech (based on all available info). They have the will, the US does not (too busy chasing short term gains and ideological wins), based on all available evidence [3].

[1] https://itif.org/publications/2024/03/11/how-innovative-is-c...

[2] https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker

> Our research reveals that China has built the foundations to position itself as the world’s leading science and technology superpower, by establishing a sometimes stunning lead in high-impact research across the majority of critical and emerging technology domains.

> China’s global lead extends to 37 out of 44 technologies that ASPI is now tracking, covering a range of crucial technology fields spanning defence, space, robotics, energy, the environment, biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and key quantum technology areas. The Critical Technology Tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US). Notably, the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranks highly (and often first or second) across many of the 44 technologies included in the Critical Technology Tracker. We also see China’s efforts being bolstered through talent and knowledge import: one-fifth of its high-impact papers are being authored by researchers with postgraduate training in a Five-Eyes country. China’s lead is the product of deliberate design and long-term policy planning, as repeatedly outlined by Xi Jinping and his predecessors.

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43338771

Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by ChromaticPanic on Wednesday March 12, 2025 @01:40PM (#43345728)
In contrast to North America which has under invested in real estate, having all that extra real estate sounds like a dream.
Re:SemiAnalysis: America Is Missing the New Labor Economy – ... by intosh on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:55PM (#43414471)
LOL If you believe western MSM, China has been collapsing (or on the verge of) for the last two decades. There is always some "time bomb" somewhere waiting to explode in China. Every issue in China (which country doesn't have issues?) is amplified 100 folds in western MSM. That has been going on for at least two decades. It has become a comical satire but some people still believe it. I guess it's kinda consoling to tell oneself that someone else's situation is bad when our own is going down the gutters.