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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by Tor3 on Monday March 10, 2025 @02:08AM (#43317438)
He was called "Leonardo" at the time, and if anyone asked "Which Leonardo?" then the reply could be "Leonardo from Vinci" (there are other combinations to identify someone, re sister comment).

Think of it as "Leonardo from Chicago". The title wouldn't sound right with "by from Chicago".

Icelandic names today are almost the same - the "daughter/son" part is more like a "from" identifier than an actual name. Thus you address an Icelander by the "first" name. Or you'll end up doing the equivalent of calling someone "from Chicago".

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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by joarv0249nw on Monday March 10, 2025 @03:39AM (#43317870)
Rembrandt van Rijn is known as Rembrandt. Vincent van Gogh is known as van Gogh.
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by throw_pm23 on Monday March 10, 2025 @04:30AM (#43318143)
Yes, I guess in most of Europe the 200-250 years between Rembrandt and van Gogh is exactly when family names solidified from a simple description "the one from village X" or "son of Y" or "the one with a red hair" to become a hereditary name essentially detached from its meaning.
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by seszett on Monday March 10, 2025 @04:48AM (#43318243)
Also, van Gogh's popularity came from France, the work he did in France, and in France by this time family names had been standard there for a long time already (since around the 16th century), much earlier than in the Netherlands.
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by saalweachter on Monday March 10, 2025 @01:20PM (#43322785)
Specifically, in 1811 Napoleon made surnames mandatory for the Dutch.

A number of Dutch, displeased with Napoleon and thinking the surname thing wouldn't last, took... unfortunate surnames.

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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by xeonmc on Monday March 10, 2025 @06:06AM (#43318726)
Where do Dick Van Dyke fit in all of this?
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by Quarrel on Monday March 10, 2025 @07:13AM (#43319174)
He is far too alive for us to worry about that.

(Luckily, these posts are explicitly datestamped .. !)

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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by 3836293648 on Monday March 10, 2025 @03:08AM (#43317717)
That doesn't change how he's known today though
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by Tor3 on Monday March 10, 2025 @03:23AM (#43317797)
He's known today as "Leonardo" as well. It's just that there are some people who aren't familiar with this. Exactly as some will use the "last" name with people from Iceland, even though it's as meaningless as calling someone "from Chicago".
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by amelius on Monday March 10, 2025 @08:36AM (#43319914)
Shouldn't Icelanders look more at last names, considering the inbreeding issues on that small island?
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by Tor3 on Monday March 10, 2025 @12:02PM (#43321985)
There's not much point looking at last names, because they change for every generation. There aren't any "family names" as such.
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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by werdnapk on Monday March 10, 2025 @09:12AM (#43320226)
Apparently they have an app that citizens can check to make sure they're not dating a relative.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/kissing-cousins-icelandic-a...

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Re:Mysterious tunnels sketched by Leonardo may have been found by lxgr on Monday March 10, 2025 @10:39AM (#43321177)
Yes, but this articles is written in our time, not his. So why not just "Leonardo da Vinci" as a compromise?
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