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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by bufferoverflow on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:28AM (#43309901)
He has been pretty vocal about exactly that. He said multiple times that European countries must increase defense budgets significantly.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by acdha on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:57AM (#43310289)
Yes, but he said that in the context of buying American products. He wanted the American economy to benefit from arms sales, not a more independent Europe.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by Jerrrrrry on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:35PM (#43310770)
Source please, that seems totally made up.

He has been clear about NATO %'s, very little room for your confusion.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by acdha on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:03PM (#43311080)
Almost every time he talks about it you’ll see some detail like this link shared by someone else:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-13/trump-tel...

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by przemub on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:53PM (#43310982)
EU is being threatened with tariffs because we’re not buying „enough” things from the US, including among others arms. The „suggestion” has always been to spend that money in the USA.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by goodluckchuck on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:21PM (#43311318)
Historically, an independent Europe has meant continental war after continental war, and Europe is again pushing for a continental war.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by acdha on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:30PM (#43311430)
This isn’t “Europe” pushing for a war, that’s solely Russia. That’s also why this policy reversal is so shocking: until recently, pretty much everyone accepted the post-WWII consensus that the United States helping to stabilize Europe was better for everyone. Trump throwing in with Russia is not only a betrayal of our allies but also dramatically increasing the risk of war since it tells Russia and anyone else so inclined that wars of aggression are viable as long as you make it financially rewarding for him.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by goodluckchuck on Monday March 10, 2025 @08:10AM (#43319704)
No, it’s Europe. Ukraine decided not to join the EU and the West supported a coup via the Maidan Revolution. The extent of that support? I don’t know, but at the very least we were verbally encouraging the violent overthrow of their government.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by azan_ on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:59PM (#43311803)
What are you talking about? Isn't it Russia that's pushing for a continental war, not Europe?
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by preisschild on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:42AM (#43310089)
Yeah, but EU countries donated weapons like the F-16, which were bought from the US in the first place. So now we have to use another source for those weapon systems and the revenue/jobs won't end up in the US.

Is this really what the US wants?

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by bufferoverflow on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:48AM (#43310163)
That's US's problem. Which is very minor compared to Ukraine's or Europe's problems with this war.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by goodluckchuck on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:26PM (#43311389)
What exactly was Europe’s problem? Did they not invite war by promising to provide only ineffective assistance to Ukraine? Which European nation does not have nukes? Which cannot flatten Moscow? Yet none even implied a willingness to do what it would take to prevent an invasion. Either win or lose. There is no honor in sending millions of young men to die.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by bufferoverflow on Monday March 10, 2025 @02:21AM (#43317495)
Most European nations don't have nukes.

If Russia overruns Ukraine (which, I really hope, they won't be able to), their next targets are Moldova, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.

Will Europe start a nuclear war over any of these countries being invaded? Doubt it.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by goodluckchuck on Monday March 10, 2025 @08:02AM (#43319622)
I’m talking about rhetoric and deterrence and values. When Putin was building up for war, the US was saying we’d provide money and “defensive” weapons. That’s basically an invitation. It’s saying we won’t do what it takes to win. That’s fine. If we don’t care enough to prevent it, then we can own that and let it happen without millions dying. Or, if we really won’t let that happen, then we can make that the reality and again save millions of lives.

I don’t understand how Europe seems to think that a world war among nuclear powers is the least-risky approach. If we keep fighting someone is going to start using them anyway.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by rad_gruchalski on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:40PM (#43312908)
Yes. To buy more American weapons.