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Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by tseabrooks on Thursday August 02, 2012 @11:08AM (#4329084)
The article is interesting even if bits and pieces are out of date. It's nice to see other's viewpoints.

My one complaint about this article, and a lot of articles of the same ilk, is the part where Americans get criticized for not "traveling abroad" and not "seeing foreign countries".

I suspect most american's will travel more MILES than the average european without ever seeing another country. It's far far more expensive for an American to visit other western countries than it is for the average European. We'd absolutely LOVE to be able to fly to France for the price of train ticket from London to Paris. Sadly, the price of oversees airfare is pretty damned high.

I know visiting different states isn't the same as visiting countries but I think people living outside of the U.S. don't understand just how different various U.S. regions are from each other. Really, you might say it's a bit silly to go visiting foreign countries when you haven't even experienced all of the diversity in your own country yet.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by DirtyCalvinist on Thursday August 02, 2012 @11:56AM (#4329323)
I once had a conversation with a Frenchman (in France) about how he had berated some poor American girl (also in France) for not knowing that Zurich was in Switzerland. I promptly quizzed him on which states 5 American cities were in, all larger than Zurich. He failed miserably.

The United States is geographically almost as large as the whole of Europe. The closest foreign border to me is Niagara Falls just over 400mi away, and even if I go there, they still speak my native tongue with pretty much the same accent. I don't think there exists any point in Germany that far from another country.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by rogerbinns on Thursday August 02, 2012 @12:34PM (#4329553)
The US state of Montana is slightly larger than Germany. I can't name more than one city there and many airlines don't even fly to the state. The US is really big!
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by afterburner on Thursday August 02, 2012 @01:34PM (#4329902)
Or, really, European nations are incredibly tiny. Fun fact: Guyana is as long as Germany.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday August 02, 2012 @04:33PM (#4330839)
And only slightly smaller than the UK in land area, yet has about 1/50th the population.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by tjoff on Thursday August 02, 2012 @12:14PM (#4329438)
I promptly quizzed him on which states 5 American cities were in, all larger than Zurich.

Who cares about states in a foreign country? In this context the size of the city or state is not of any interest.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by sanderjd on Thursday August 02, 2012 @01:00PM (#4329711)
The point is that knowing that Zurich is in Switzerland is more similar to knowing that Denver is in Colorado than it is to knowing that Denver is in the United States. Presumably the size of the city is interesting because the implicit assumption is that knowing where Zurich is important because Zurich is a big city.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by tjoff on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:00PM (#4330034)
My point is that it isn't similar at all, on any level.

A typical foreigner to the US probably knows where some large cities in US are without having the slightest clue about which state many of them reside in.

That is my perception of it.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by sanderjd on Thursday August 02, 2012 @03:46PM (#4330614)
...Which is why it's so similar to how a typical American probably knows where some large cities in Europe are without having the slightest clue about which country many of them reside in.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by tjoff on Thursday August 02, 2012 @04:04PM (#4330712)
I'd say that few outside of America could write that sentence.

The difference between two neighbouring countries is a huge deal and apparent (regardless if you are a local or not) where you don't even speak the same language, have the same currency (the euro has of course changed that a bit (in Europe)) and for all practical purposes a complete different sets of laws and culture.

The reason for why many cities are notable is because they are the capitals of different countries. Their identity is based on their country. You can hardly say the same about different states in America (to the same extent (of course people that live in America have different accents and prejudices for people in other states etc., but to compare that to different countries?)).

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by sanderjd on Thursday August 02, 2012 @04:28PM (#4330813)
I think we're both wrong to a certain extent - you're de-emphasizing the differences between states in America too much, and I'm overemphasizing them. You believe that countries are different enough culturally that not knowing which culture a city is part of is ridiculous, I believe that states are different enough geographically that not knowing which geographic area a city is equivalently ridiculous. It's a pretty dumb argument.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by charonn0 on Thursday August 02, 2012 @05:44PM (#4331189)
In America I don't need to travel at all to hear many different languages, experience different cultures, etc. They're all in walking distance in any major city. European mono-cultures need to make nationalistic distinctions, the American multi-culture doesn't.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by barrkel on Thursday August 02, 2012 @08:04PM (#4331767)
America's monoculture was actually one of my surprises. I live in London; going to the Bay Area and seeing the monoculture was a bit of a shock. IMO you're far more likely to hear foreign languages (foreign to the country) in Europe than almost anywhere in the US.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by cutie on Thursday August 02, 2012 @11:26PM (#4332366)
SF is a bit white and hipster, like the northern half of the country. Try Los Angeles, there are few gringos here, and fewer all the time.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by charonn0 on Friday August 03, 2012 @01:04PM (#4334892)
SF is far more Hispanic and East Asian than white. In any case, why so racist?
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by cutie on Friday August 03, 2012 @03:55PM (#4335846)
Don't confuse statement of fact with racism, a common misconception. I've traveled over the world and liked everyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco#Demographics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Los_Angeles

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by charonn0 on Friday August 03, 2012 @04:19PM (#4335953)
"Try Los Angeles, there are few gringos here, and fewer all the time."

I was referring to this statement. And it is a racist statement. It is exactly as racist as saying "Try Illinois, there are few wetbacks there and fewer all the time." These are clear statements by the speaker that the group in question is both undesirable in general and worthwhile to eliminate or distance oneself from, a belief commonly called racism.

With regard to demographics, few of the thousands of undocumented immigrants likely respond to government questionnaires.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by cutie on Friday August 03, 2012 @04:28PM (#4336000)
The trend is cleary described in the link above. The first sentence, "The 1990 United States Census and 2000 United States Census found that non-Hispanic whites were becoming a minority in Los Angeles."

> immigrants likely respond..

Exactly, they are quite underrepresented in the data above, reinforcing the argument. They are in higher concentration the farther south you go.

If you are upset with the word gringo or "fewer..", it was a small attempt at adding levity, perhaps it is a bit flippant.

Your assumptions of my mental state, however, are known psychologically as projection.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by charonn0 on Friday August 03, 2012 @04:42PM (#4336067)
Perhaps you should ask yourself why you thought it would be funny, rather than psychoanalyze a stranger on the internet.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by cutie on Friday August 03, 2012 @05:46PM (#4336356)
I'm sarcastic in general, and when receiving accusations respond. Of course we could always improve our writing in general. If you don't like your argument critiqued, perhaps you shouldn't do it either?
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by charonn0 on Thursday August 02, 2012 @08:10PM (#4331787)
The San Francisco Bay Area? That's where I live. Mono-cultural it is not. Maybe you meant another Bay Area (there are as many of those as there are bays.)
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by barrkel on Friday August 03, 2012 @01:27AM (#4332703)
I meant relatively speaking. In London, there are many streets that all could be in different countries, right down to the script used for the shop signs. I never once saw someone in a niqab or a djellaba, for example.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by geebee on Friday August 03, 2012 @01:36AM (#4332731)
Well, I'm honestly bewildered. Where did you go in San Francisco? You didn't hear Spanish, Mandarin, or Cantonese anywhere? How? I hear these languages and more, constantly, every day.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by March_Hare on Friday August 03, 2012 @07:26AM (#4333525)
London is one of the most diverse cities in the world. Relatively speaking, almost every city in the world is less diverse.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by cutie on Friday August 03, 2012 @04:37PM (#4336043)
America is a baby compared to Europe, and modern communication works against localization of language.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by rdl on Thursday August 02, 2012 @09:37PM (#4332066)
There ate tens of cities in China with populations over several million that westerners have never heard of, too.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by onetwothreefour on Friday August 03, 2012 @08:17PM (#4336878)
He's clearly American... :)
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by kbolino on Thursday August 02, 2012 @01:09PM (#4329758)
So, in other words, if it interests you, it's fair to quiz someone else about it, but if it doesn't interest you, it's not fair to quiz you about it.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by tjoff on Thursday August 02, 2012 @01:55PM (#4330011)
Do you want me to quiz you on the provinces of Sweden?

Oh, you don't find that interesting? Well, hardly anyone outside Sweden probably does. Pointless knowledge.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by kbolino on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:16PM (#4330124)
To paraphrase Richard Feynman: you're not right; in fact, you're not even wrong.

No I don't find Swedish cities interesting. But I did not start quizzing you about U.S. cities. If you started quizzing me about Swedish cities, then it would be fair for me to quiz you about American ones. The issue of cities is irrelevant; the concept at discussion is "turnabout is fair play." The guy who asked about Zurich wanted to show how stupid Americans were by trumpeting his culturally specific, regionally biased knowledge. To show how this was just snobbery, an American did the same to him. It doesn't matter if you don't think America is interesting; that's not what this is about.

Note: I actually like Europe; I'm just trying to prove a point.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by tjoff on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:38PM (#4330253)
You guys might honestly think that it is easier to put a large US city in a state rather than pinpoint it on a map.

I don't think most foreigners would agree.

My interest in America isn't in any way related to my interest of the states within America...

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by kbolino on Thursday August 02, 2012 @04:08PM (#4330729)
"I don't think most foreigners would agree."

That is my point, in a nutshell: the knowledge is relative.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by waterlesscloud on Thursday August 02, 2012 @01:59PM (#4330032)
Most people could name a grand total of one city in all of Sweden. Just not on people's radars the way the US is.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by tjoff on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:04PM (#4330064)
I'm happy as long as we are not confused with Switzerland, but you missed my point.

Is the state that large US cities reside in on (foreign) peoples radars?

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by waterlesscloud on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:08PM (#4330082)
San Francisco and Los Angeles are in what US state?

Dallas?

Miami?

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by hnriot on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:54PM (#4330344)
San Francisco and Los Angeles are in different states :) Just ask anyone...
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by anamax on Friday August 03, 2012 @11:09PM (#4337358)
> San Francisco and Los Angeles are in different states

Only San Franciscans think that. The folks in the rest of Northern CA know better.

The real dividing line in CA runs north/south. SF and LA are on the same side of that line.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by cutie on Thursday August 02, 2012 @11:30PM (#4332375)
Alta and Baja.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by maratd on Thursday August 02, 2012 @11:31AM (#4329197)
> It's far far more expensive for an American to visit other western countries than it is for the average European.

Well, yes. Then there's the enjoyment factor. Personally, I've been to Europe multiple times. Hell, I was born there. And frankly, I enjoy going to the Caribbean, Bermuda, and Mexico much more.

> I know visiting different states isn't the same as visiting countries but I think people living outside of the U.S. don't understand just how different various U.S. regions are from each other.

Also spot on. If you live in NYC, going to NOLA is plenty exotic. Vice versa as well. Air fare is almost nothing compared to going to other continents.

The only people who might truly be able to relate would be from China and India. Both countries are large and diverse enough that traveling inside of their borders becomes a rewarding experience.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by soperj on Thursday August 02, 2012 @08:29PM (#4331845)
The more I think about it, the more out of touch you really seem. The people you label as plenty exotic from NOLA were actually deported from eastern Canada(your "tundra") and St.Petersburg(what they've been calling Leningrad for the last 20 years) is pretty well on the Arctic circle, and yet is not part of your "tundra". (and Yes I realise that St.Petersburg isn't tundra, neither is the vast majority of Russia or Canada)
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by wruce_billis on Thursday August 02, 2012 @10:17PM (#4332183)
>The people you label as plenty exotic from NOLA were actually deported from eastern Canada(your "tundra")...

Are we talking about New Orleans, Louisiana here?

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by soperj on Friday August 03, 2012 @01:02PM (#4334876)
Ya. The cajuns decendants of the acadians of Eastern Canada(present day Nova Scotia/New Brunswick). Deported by the British/Americans(who were one & the same at the time) to what is now the state of Louisana.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by soperj on Thursday August 02, 2012 @01:03PM (#4329730)
really... just india and china? what about australia? canada? Russia?
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by maratd on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:18PM (#4330133)
I've never been to Australia, so I can't comment.

In Canada, you have three choices. British Columbia/Vancouver, Ontario/Ottawa, and Quebec/Montreal. The rest is frozen tundra.

Russia? Leningrad (or whatever they're calling it now), Moscow, and the Black Sea region (might as well go to Ukraine/Odessa for that). The rest is frozen tundra.

So yeah, China and India. It's not about size. It's about the diversity of cultures and climates.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by Sumaso on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:48PM (#4330310)
What about out east? Like PEI and Newfoundland? Calgary for the Stampede? Quebec? Banff National park?

And that's just off the top of my head!

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by protomyth on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:54PM (#4330342)
Speaking as one who lives south of some of that Canadian frozen tundra in what you probably would think is frozen tundra of the USA, I think you might want to learn more about those areas. They are quite beautiful and very nice places to visit.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by debacle on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:33PM (#4330225)
You could go to Toronto to see...Toronto.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by maratd on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:45PM (#4330289)
Toronto is in Ontario. I did mention Ontario. Look, Canada is a wonderful place to visit. I'm going there at the end of August. But if you're a Canadian and you've already been to BC, QB, and ON ... there's not much else to see. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by soperj on Thursday August 02, 2012 @04:20PM (#4330779)
You're wrong. Also Ontario is huge, and Toronto is a miniscule part of it. The people outside of Toronto/Ottawa in Ontario are completely different from the people who live in those two areas. If you'd had been to any other parts of Canada aside from Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal, you'd realise how much more there is to see, and how much more diverse the country really is. "It's not about size. It's about the diversity of cultures and climates." Give me a break. Canada, Australia and Russia are more diverse climate wise than China or India. How is China more culturally diverse answer me that?

edit: From the cia world factbook(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...) China Ethnic groups: Han Chinese 91.5%, Zhuang, Manchu, Hui, Miao, Uighur, Tujia, Yi, Mongol, Tibetan, Buyi, Dong, Yao, Korean, and other nationalities 8.5% (2000 census)

Yep.. that's a real melting pot there.

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by waterlesscloud on Thursday August 02, 2012 @11:14PM (#4332336)
Canada lacks the climate diversity of China or India.

For instance, where's Canada's desert? Its jungle?

Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by soperj on Friday August 03, 2012 @01:33PM (#4335081)
What you likely consider Desert - Osoyoos Then there's all that tundra we're talking about, which is desert as well. Jungle is tropical, so there is no jungle, there are temperate rainforest though. Where's the jungle in China?
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by debacle on Thursday August 02, 2012 @02:54PM (#4330341)
I thought you were specifically mentioning Ottawa, and not Ontario as a whole.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by xtracto on Thursday August 02, 2012 @08:10PM (#4331782)
Spoke like a real American who has not seen many places.
Re:The Differences Between Germany and the United States by cutie on Thursday August 02, 2012 @11:15PM (#4332339)
Brazil !