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Re:Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protect... by ssssvd on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @04:35PM (#43272844)
Ukrainian nukes were about as Ukrainian as Texas-based US nukes are Texan — they were Soviet weapons targeting US cities, with launch authority and maintenance cycles controlled from Moscow.

After independence, Ukraine had physical possession of a huge nuclear arsenal but lacked the codes and infrastructure to operate or maintain it long-term. The only practical options were to dismantle them, bargain them away, or possibly sell off some nuclear material or technology to third parties — though they ultimately chose to denuclearize under the Budapest Memorandum in exchange for security assurances.

What could have truly deterred Russia was Ukraine’s enormous conventional military inherited from the USSR (actually, the size of Russia's), but it was steadily gutted over the decades through underfunding, corruption, and arms sales.

Re:Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protect... by palata on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @05:04PM (#43273283)
> though they ultimately chose to denuclearize under the Budapest Memorandum in exchange for security assurances.

That the US and the UK (and obviously Russia) did not honour, did they?

Re:Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protect... by Aloisius on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @08:17PM (#43275031)
It has been honored by the US and UK.

The only obligations it imposes, besides not attacking Ukraine, is to seek UN Security Council action should Ukraine be nuked. I don't know why people keep trotting it out like it's a comprehensive defense pact.

Re:Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protect... by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:17PM (#43276370)
That isn't the American Secretary of States opinion:

https://bsky.app/profile/dittie.bsky.social/post/3lji5yzf5ns...

Nor is the US currently 'honoring it' clear from a direct reading of the langauge:

https://bsky.app/profile/igorsushko.bsky.social/post/3ljnqjm...

Re:Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protect... by ssssvd on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @05:24PM (#43273540)
It had been honoured — or at least not directly violated — for 20 years. And in international affairs, 20 years is "forever."

Between 1918 and 1938, how many treaties were signed, broken, rewritten, and ignored by how many powers?

Re:Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protect... by palata on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @05:29PM (#43273594)
I'll keep that in mind next time I sign a contract: "I commit to honouring it until I don't".
Re:Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protect... by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:18PM (#43276376)
Man so many American's about to be relieved they can stop honoring their 30 year mortgagee.