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Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by D13Fd on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:40PM (#43227355)
> I give it 50/50 they do that.

Do they even need to, though? If the president cannot be prosecuted for any official acts, and has the power to pardon any subordinate for ignoring the law, and to fire (and then prosecute) anyone who insists on following the law, what does the law matter?

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by roenxi on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:54PM (#43227456)
The mechanism seems to rest on the principle of separation of powers - Congress is empowered both to write the laws, and to remove presidents. That means that there can't be a major misalignment between Congress and the executive, because if Congress thinks the president is really out of line they can boot him.

It is quite a sophisticated set-up, really. You'd think in principle that the courts would decide when the presidency isn't following the law, but the actual power to punish the president lives in the legislature and it makes much more sense when examined in terms of what incentives exist.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by D13Fd on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:09AM (#43227576)
The problem is that, through the pardon power combined with immunity from prosecution, the president can shield the entire executive branch from any obligation to execute on the laws that congress writes. It effectively neuters congress and prevents it from making any permanently effective law. Enforcement is instead left to the whims of the current congress and president at any time (who could be highly partisan Democrats, Republicans, or anyone else). That is clearly not how the constitution is intended to work.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:14AM (#43227608)
Maybe you should have been mad about preemptive pardons with the last guy?

I swear I can not prepare myself anymore for the sheer hypocrisy that is about to happen in four years! You know it’s going to happen, but my issue is the theatre of it all.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by knowaveragejoe on Sunday March 02, 2025 @02:07AM (#43228099)
Those were a smart move on his part - they knew trump was going to actually engage in the sort of lawfare they had been crowing about for the last 4 years.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by throwaway48476 on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:19AM (#43227639)
The constitutional remedy for abuse of pardon power is impeachment. In the model where any two branches can check the 3rd if two are of the same mind then there's nothing to do.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by D13Fd on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:43AM (#43227769)
> The constitutional remedy for abuse of pardon power is impeachment.

It is not. The constitution allows impeachment for treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors only.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by sadeshmukh on Sunday March 02, 2025 @03:19AM (#43228466)
Would that not be treason?
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by true_religion on Sunday March 02, 2025 @05:11AM (#43229004)
You can be impeached for lying to Congress or maybe even substantially misleading it.

Isn’t that how they got Clinton?

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by locopati on Sunday March 02, 2025 @06:03AM (#43229250)
Repeated unconstitutional actions seems to fit high crimes.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by closewith on Sunday March 02, 2025 @07:28AM (#43229792)
Are you sure the legislative branch could physically remove this president from office? Given it's unlikely he'd accept any impeachment.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by kemotep on Sunday March 02, 2025 @08:05AM (#43230115)
South Korea’s President tried to do that a few months ago and the military had to arrest them.

If the President violates the law, and Congress impeaches and convicts them, and they don’t peacefully step down, and the military/police does not remove them from office/sides with the President, we effectively have a coup and the United States as outlined in the Constitution ceases to exist.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by closewith on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:21AM (#43230755)
> the United States as outlined in the Constitution ceases to exist.

As the risk of deflating your apparently boundless optimism, that ship has sailed. The idea you have of a country operating under the rule of law is not congruent with reality.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by ModernMech on Sunday March 02, 2025 @01:05PM (#43233156)
They wouldn't have to - the VP would become the President and therefore the CIC. He would instruct to military to remove the former president. If the VP does not oblige, he can be impeached as well and the Speaker of the House would become POTUS.

At that point, being the ones with all the guns, it would fall to the military to decide who they are loyal to: the Constitution, ex-POTUS, or themselves, and they will act accordingly.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by arp242 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:58PM (#43227500)
Senate could impeach Trump or other members of the administration, but that requires a two third majority so good luck with that. Note that impeachment is specifically excluded from the presidential pardon.

But other than that, yeah, the strategy seems to be "who is going to stop us?" It remains to be seen how far he can push things because a critical majority of Republican senators will balk. For all their talk about "muh constitution" over the last few decades, they sure seem quick to abandon some basics when it's convenient. And even then it remains to be seen if he actually steps down after an impeachment conviction.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by modzu on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:48PM (#43227419)
survival of the fittest man, and we got the fucking gun
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by noduerme on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:01AM (#43227518)
That's a demented way of looking at the world, and it's disproven by the historical success of America as a republic, compared with countries in which "survival of the fittest" is the only rule, like Russia, or pick any dictatorship.

Survival of the fittest leads to dictatorship; dictatorships stagnate, because they spend all their energy only on maintaining power. They are efficient in one sense, at maintaining order. But they are centralized and limited in throughput and therefore are never dynamic systems capable of growth and innovation.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by daveguy on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:55PM (#43227464)
Nah.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by throwaway48476 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:53PM (#43227447)
The path we went down starting with Lincoln and the imperial presidency has finally fully manifested.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by saghm on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:25AM (#43227689)
For one thing, the Supreme Court are the ones that ruled that the president has some form of immunity in the first place, and it wouldn't be that unprecedented for them to rein that in a bit if it comes to them again; see the follow-up to Bruen in Rahimi where basically all of them other than Thomas seemed to want to walk back their previous ruling a bit. Although it's hard for me to imagine how they could have been surprised at all about the aftermath of their ruling in Bruen, it does sometimes seem to me like some of the more "moderate" conservative justices forget that they're playing with live ammo (if you'll pardon the pun) and not just debating abstract principles. I don't pretend to have any sort of confidence in what they'd actually do if presented with another case against Trump, but I don't think it would be _that_ surprising if they decided to try to find some technicality where they can claim he still has immunity for most things but for some reason it wouldn't apply to the current issue under question. I'm also not going to claim with any sort of confidence that ruling against him would be effective at reining him in, since there already seems to be a large contingent of his supporters eager for him to just flat out ignore court rulings that have much less personal stakes for him.

The other remedy that still technically merits a mention even if it's somewhat implausible to happen any time soon is that Congress does still have the power to impeach and remove the president. I don't see it as super likely that Republicans would turn against him at this point, since pretty much all of the internal opposition has been driven out of the party over the past decade, but I'm guessing that it also would have been almost unthinkable for Nixon to go from winning every state other than Massachusetts in 1972 to losing so much support in 1974 that his own party told him that he might as well resign rather than have more than half of his own party's senators vote with the Democrats to remove him from office[0]. Even though I think the people who voted for Trump tend to be much more passionate in their support for him, and the norms for what behavior is considered "acceptable" as a politician have expanded dramatically (not in small part from Trump himself), I think there's still an argument to be made that Trump isn't as popular as Nixon was at this point in second term, and it's at least theoretically possible to imagine a scenario where his support eroded to the point that he lost enough support to continue with what he's doing. Even if his supporters aren't ever going to turn against him, there aren't nearly as many of them that there were for Nixon, so maybe the most likely of the unlikely scenarios for this would be a large enough Democrat majority getting elected during the midterms that they (possibly along with some of the few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate) could remove him. (This would of course still leave Vance as president, assuming he didn't also get impeached and convicted, so he could pardon Trump, but that still removes him from power for at least couple of years, and Vance being a relatively recent convert to Trumpism doesn't seem like he'd be able to command nearly as much loyalty as Trump himself has).

As for what could actually cause something like this to take place, I have to wonder if the most likely scenario would literally be another pandemic. Not only does the previous one have a reasonable claim to being what caused him to lose in 2020, a lot of the policies he's currently enacting seem like they'd backfire spectacularly in the face of another pandemic (e.g. cutting vaccine mandates in schools, appointing Kennedy as HHS secretary when him being antivax is probably the most well known thing about him, and the recent flirting with cutting Medicaid in order to pay for the tax cuts...)

[0]: from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Ri...:

> During the late afternoon of August 7, Senators Goldwater and Scott and Congressman Rhodes met with Nixon in the Oval Office and told him his support in Congress had all but disappeared. Scott told reporters afterward that they did not pressure Nixon to resign, but simply told the president that "the situation is very gloomy on Capitol Hill." Rhodes told the president he would face certain impeachment when the articles came up for vote in the full House. By Majority Leader O'Neill's estimate, no more than 75 representatives were willing to vote against the obstruction-of-justice article. Goldwater and Scott told the president that not only were there enough votes in the Senate to convict him, but that no more than 15 or so senators were willing to vote for acquittal. Goldwater later wrote that as a result of the meeting, Nixon "knew beyond any doubt that one way or another his presidency was finished." That night, Nixon finalized his decision to leave office.

Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by amanaplanacanal on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:21AM (#43230757)
There is also the possibility, however unlikely, that some secret service member would decide their oath to the Constitution outweighs their oath to protect the president and unilaterally solves the problem. I expect that's a low probability outcome currently, but that might change depending on circumstances.
Re:The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed" by jaybrendansmith on Sunday March 02, 2025 @10:49AM (#43231602)
How about a complete economic collapse and great depression? They are FAFO on many critical pillars of our system, including biopharmaceuticals and research, heavy tariffs with major trading partners (you cannot instantly undo the last 50 years of globalization without a complete collapse, because the ecosystems simply do not exist anymore), the Federal Reserve (you cannot wish inflation away, you can only apply a brake that takes 18 months to have an impact), and oh so many other things. We are seeing a monkey pull the tablecloth out from under a fully set table of china and silver for 24. Apparently the majority were so deluded by propaganda that they wanted them to burn it all down. Buckle up everybody, get a go bag ready and find a safe place to keep your money.