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Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by khazhoux on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:39PM (#43226188)
Incorrect. Their goal is to dissolve these agencies, to reduce regulation that burden certain industries.
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by Nevermark on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:11PM (#43226826)
Yes, that is the goal, but not quite how they sell it.

The sell is to individuals to get their votes, not corporations (who of course are on board, but cannot vote), and more amorphous for not being above board. About how people's hardship are being caused by "enemies" who must be punished. Thus the "cruelty is the point" observation.

Simply stating their goal, "the hyper rich feel too fettered, with respect to the rights/safety/wellbeing of individuals", would fail for being overly direct and honest.

(I have no doubt there is governmental waste. But their behavior is not consistent with doing the work of identifying and eliminating waste. Waste elmination here is a side effect (that can be pointed to) of mass elmination independent of waste.)

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by beej71 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:51PM (#43226285)
But 18f? They've been one of the most visible streamliners of government bureaucracy we've seen.
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by genter on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:05PM (#43226404)
They want to make government bureaucracy less streamline, so they can point out how inefficient it is and therefore should be abolished (ignoring the fact that they sabotaged it).
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by beej71 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:35PM (#43226596)
Like they do with USPS. Yes, I agree.
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by Spooky23 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:15PM (#43226470)
You're a zealot or incapable of cognitively understanding what the words mean.

Dissolving agencies is easy. Push the legislation through congress. The republicans hold control of the legislature, have the ability to blackmail their caucus through the oligarchs, and have a supreme court that has dropped all pretense of legitimacy.

The budget bill devastates things like Medicaid, but doesn't dissolve the department of education.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by khazhoux on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:42PM (#43227037)
> You're a zealot or incapable of cognitively understanding what the words mean.

Straight to ad hominem. Excellent.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by Spooky23 on Sunday March 02, 2025 @03:22PM (#43234624)
If you are an advocate for the destruction of my country through your willful ignorance, you’re the problem.

You don’t get to hide behind high minded ideals.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by khazhoux on Monday March 03, 2025 @02:44AM (#43239262)
I'm not sure exactly what point you are arguing. The issue in this subthread is whether or not cruelty to federal employees is "the point" of the recent actions. I claim that it's not the objective, but a side effect. I claim that the Trump administration's main objective is to dissolve these agencies, not specifically to inflict harm on employees. All of the agency de-fundings and dissolutions can be much better explained as serving some other goal: either industry profit, or to make it easier for his party (or Trump himself!) to win in 2028, or to undo some perceived left-leaning agenda.

I am hardly advocating for destruction of the USA simply because I disagree with that pithy quotable, "The cruelty is the point."

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by genter on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:48PM (#43226249)
How is that incorrect? They're deliberately being cruel to government employees so they quit and the agencies are de facto dissolved.
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by khazhoux on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:36PM (#43226996)
The statement was "cruelty is the point."

But cruelty to these employees is just the side benefit, the cherry on top. It's not the main objective driving these decisions.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by fragmede on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:20PM (#43227236)
Why would you assume either? Do you have access to brain scanning technology that would let you know what goes on in the minds of these men? If they think that the federal government is all waste, why wouldn't being cruel to them be more important than this idea about efficiency that idiots are absolutely eating up.
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by Psillisp on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:07PM (#43226794)
Cruelty and profit or it isn’t capitalism
Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by quantified on Sunday March 02, 2025 @02:32AM (#43228220)
They are either deceptive or incredibly incompentent. There is no burden to any industry in giving the American taxpayer a free and authoritative easy way to file. Similarly, firing so many FDIC inspectors saves nothing, they are paid by the banks not the government.

I'm going with deceptive.

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by amiga386 on Monday March 03, 2025 @08:32AM (#43241533)
There is a burden, and a huge one at that, to the rent-seeking industry.

If there's a free and authoritative easy way to file taxes, then there's no reason for people to pay for unnecessary third party services who earn ALL their money by imposing themselves between the taxpayer and IRS. They will fight like bastards to preserve their privileged position.

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-maker-of-turbotax...

Re:GSA Eliminates 18F by johnnyanmac on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @02:39PM (#43259047)