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Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by mikeyouse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:42AM (#43219132)
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Intel announced the delay to the next presidential term.. The current administration is also hostile to the CHIPS act.. they’ve fired many of the administrators (the act is new enough that there were many probationary employers supporting it) and have told already-approved recipients that they are going to renegotiate the agreements. I’ve never seen such a self destructive administration..
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by BoxFour on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:47AM (#43219188)
> I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Intel announced the delay to the next presidential election year..

The next presidential election is in 2028, not 2030

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by Aurornis on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:52AM (#43219230)
Election in 2028, next president takes office in 2029, realistically 2030 is the earliest the CHIPS act and staff could be rebuilt.

The people overseeing the CHIPS act have mostly been fired or flagged for firing. Many of them were in their “probationary” period because they were recent hires.

The CHIPS act can’t be instantly restarted when the next president takes office. It has to be rebuilt. It has basically been sabotaged.

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by jorvi on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:26AM (#43219507)
That's one of the most frustrating things about the wrecking ball far right administrations going through America and parts of Europe right now. They're causing damage that will take 5-10 years to fix, so even if we get more sane administrations, the public will complain "why aren't we seeing any improvements" because all they can accomplish at first is cleaning out the rubble.

Worst of all, it could become cycle. Trump / DOGE is basically doing a wholesale cleanse of left-leaning public sector employees at all levels, replacing them with yes men and cronies. A new administration will have to revert that, meaning firing and hiring and training people yet again. And an administration after that might try do undo that. What a quagmire.

In general it's a classic that left-leaning governments fix various policy and economic problems, which often carries big cost, which gets them voted out, and then the fruits of that labor are claimed by / wrongfully attributed to rightist administrations.

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by shigawire on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:52AM (#43219754)
If you look at recent American history you will see this pattern has roughly already played out.

If a main part of your platform is that government sucks, you have no incentive to un-suckify it. Starve the beast.

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by EasyMark on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:05AM (#43219926)
Meh, starve the beast is just another cliché of minds that want simple answers to complex issues. Life tariffs and Trump. He has no imagination. Anyway, government is the only thing that can stand up to the broligarchs and that's why Trump is doing is his best to destroy it. If you want a simple explanation for what's going on there it is.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by marcosdumay on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:15AM (#43220033)
Yes, this is a very predictable failure mode of presidentialist governments.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by mikeyouse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:53AM (#43219242)
Yeah typo on my part there, ty
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by kylebenzle on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:21AM (#43219463)
That's not what a "typo" is. A typo is a typing mistake, not a lack of knowledge or error in thinking.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by mikeyouse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:45AM (#43219669)
Appreciate your concern and pedantry - the typo was saying presidential election instead of administration. Believe it or not, I do know when the next election is.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by nthingtohide on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:33AM (#43220242)
If a person misattributes one thing, it is generally called as thinko.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by DonHopkins on Sunday March 02, 2025 @05:06AM (#43228980)
What's it called when Kyle Benzle posts "All women are whores"?
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by nthingtohide on Sunday March 02, 2025 @06:44AM (#43229453)
semanto? semantic mistakes
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by DonHopkins on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:02AM (#43219883)
Kyle Benzle, your widely known infamous posting of "All women are whores" to Hacker News that you're desperately trying to white-wash wasn't a typo either. You fully meant what you said, you intentionally did it on purpose, you've never apologized or admitted you were wrong, it was an error in thinking and judgement, and prima facie evidence of your lack of experience with women who aren't whores.

>"All women are whores. Sorry to break it to you." -Kyle Benzel, Sept 28, 2022, Hacker News

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by rwyinuse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:46AM (#43219676)
Based on last few weeks I'll be genuinely surprised if there will be fair elections in 2028.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by mikeyouse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:00AM (#43220556)
It’s a definite concern but fortunately elections are largely administered by the states so there’s at least a buffer between centralized authoritarians and the voting process.. That being said, I’m sure this DOJ is going to get up to all sorts of shenanigans with whoever is nominated.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by elephanlemon on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:06AM (#43219351)
What’s still totally unclear to me is how much money Intel has actually received. If they got all of the 7.9 B, then I would assume it doesn’t matter to them if the act is cancelled? But it’s not clear to me how much has actually been paid out so far.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/25/intel-close-to-8-billion-chi...

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by fluidcruft on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:22AM (#43219474)
There's absolutely no way they already have all the $7.9b. That's not how government contracts and accounting works. DOGE/Trump can just slice whatever remains of the rest of the contract and then they'll bicker at each other in court for a decade until nobody cares anymore.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by Brybry on Saturday March 01, 2025 @07:58PM (#43225946)
So from reading this[1] my understanding is the award for all four locations is $7.9B and for the Ohio project location specifically it's $1.5B

However I couldn't find the awards (and thus outlays) on usaspending.gov. I think this[2] is the CHIPS act account and you can see some general outlays per year there but Intel isn't in any of the specific obligations listed.

And even searching the award id or Intel in general as a recipient on the site didn't find obligations that matched.

However, page 112 of this[3] 10-K filing has the direct funding agreement (with award id!) and a lot of info about how payments work but no payment amounts. Page 30 seems to say they received $1.1 billion of the $7.9 billion in 2024 and another $1.1 billion for 2025 but I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly.

[1] https://www.nist.gov/chips/intel-corporation-ohio-new-albany

[2] https://www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/013-0520

[3] https://www.intc.com/filings-reports/all-sec-filings/content...

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by okonomiyaki3000 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:25AM (#43219497)
Bold of them to assume there will be next presidential term.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by EasyMark on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:06AM (#43219942)
the way they are setting up Trump toadies in all the police apparatus and people aren't nervous is amazing to me.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by m3kw9 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:50AM (#43219211)
And it’s only the end of Feb. it’s a massive shit show right now
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by mikeyouse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:55AM (#43219254)
I wonder how bad the recession has to be for these jokers to grow up or if they’re going to just double down on the face of it.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by walthamstow on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:56AM (#43219265)
If you control the (social) media you can make a recession anybody's fault
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by mikeyouse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:03AM (#43219320)
I think there are probably limits to that though.. when you control all branches of government and are making big splashy displays of firing tens of thousands of people and erecting big trade barriers - there really isn’t anyone else to (convincingly) blame.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by redserk on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:42AM (#43219645)
Unfortunately this makes the assumption that logic and critical thinking skills are used when assigning blame.

Instead, it’s a crude game of corralling people with emotions.

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by voidfunc on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:55AM (#43219789)
You blame the Deep State
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by gtirloni on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:19AM (#43220096)
Exactly. You tried your best but powerful shadow powers worked against you so you need even more power to fight them. And you know it may sound bad but things have to get worse before they get better. The population has to bear with you for just a bit more and you assure them you won't abuse any powers given to you, and if you do, it's because you were forced to.

It's election day, you get re-elected, rinse and repeat until the next generation has no memory of it ever being different.

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by nthingtohide on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:37AM (#43220275)
Deep State is real though. Has been real for decades. Wikileaks proved it. Current events also. Here's a taste of what I mean

https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by rasz on Sunday March 02, 2025 @06:04AM (#43229255)
Current administration already picked racial minority to blame.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/confinement-unbearable-migrants-de...

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by TwoPhonesOneKid on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:24AM (#43219491)
That's going to be difficult after such a public media campaign giving people the idea that they're trying to crash the economy. Even if this will also take a lot of industry-level incompetence to achieve.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by idle_zealot on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:14AM (#43219410)
The spin seems the be that the recession is intentional in order to devalue the dollar and make American labor competitive with manufacturing hubs, bringing back domestic manufacturing capabilities.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by johnnyanmac on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:07AM (#43219943)
And people actually buy that? Hey we're gonna make things worse for you so you can get worse paying manufactuer jobs compared to 2023. BTW we're cancelling all the new manufacturing initiatives.

Almost no one wins from this. Rich people suffer the least as usual by having a diverse banking account, especially in multiple currencies. All working class is devalued so the only boon is jobless people who manage to find a job.

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by idle_zealot on Saturday March 01, 2025 @04:24PM (#43223814)
There are a lot of people who romanticize America's time as an industrial nation, where most Americans were factory workers, miners, laborers, etc. They're being promised a return to those times, couched of course in the lie that those jobs will pay well, and the false assumption that workers will receive good treatment.
Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by johnnyanmac on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:04AM (#43219912)
Bad enough that some GOP senators wake up and actually impeach trump. Which may not be possible because being rich to begin with shields you from the effects of a recession. It may have to be a depression to force their hands.

That or massive GOP voter pressure come 2026.

Re:Intel delays $28B Ohio chip fabs to 2030 by EasyMark on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:07AM (#43219949)
They won't really be affected by it, and they feel they'll come out of shiny and silky because they will have grifted all that money and still be in control and the 99% will have learnt their place.