You entered ww1 in 1917, almost at the end of the war after German submarines attacked American ships, if I remember correctly. So the US tried to stay out for quite some time.

You mean when Japan attacked USA and you were forced to enter the war? I do not remember USA attacking nazis because of morality, in you were forced by getting attacked. I remember USA doing business with nazis so the "help" was mustual you were fighting same enemy and my country Romania was in fact on the other side , we were sold to USSR in the end so you got your payment when you split the world with USSR

I never once brought morality into it nor said we were doing any of it for altruistic reasons. That being said it was still done.

I also don't think our "payment" as you put it was sufficient to offset the ongoing costs post WW2. My take was these costs are now no longer worth it and we should let Europe stand for Europe.

You implied the US entered WW2 to help out the European allies and thus they still owe you. But as the person you're responding to pointed out, you entered it of your own accord, pursuing your own interests.

So, no, we're not going to, in your own words, "compare them to WW1 and WW2 and see if we owe you any money".

Moreover, the US were paid back for any weapons or resources you supplied.

Now, about that article 5. You were saying?

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Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. If you get to "you are gaslighting", it's time to step away.

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Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. If you get to "you're the one gaslighting", it's time to step away.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Your comment is a perfect example of why so many Americans fully support not paying for Europe's defense anymore. WW2 was primarily caused by France and the UK being excessively predatory in their demands of reparations from Germany, setting the stage for Hitler's rise by economically crushing Germany.

But instead of admitting that, you just crap on the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands who went across an ocean to help the people on a continent that 99% of them had never set foot in. Americans know how much you look down on them, and are finally responding accordingly.

Pay for your own defense. Good luck getting your citizens to give up the cushy welfare programs you'll have to give up to pay for weapons for the first time in generations.