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Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by darth_avocado on Friday February 28, 2025 @12:52PM (#43208421)
Quora has sucked for a while now. When the second answer on every question is completely unrelated to the question asked, in some weird attempt to make you look up more content on the site, the site starts losing its usefulness.
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by Terr_ on Friday February 28, 2025 @05:49PM (#43212771)
Yeah, it's so blatantly frustratingly tone-deaf that the real message is: "This site purposely wants to be full of irrelevant spammy shit, so get whatever you needed and get out ASAP."
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by ForTheKidz on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:12PM (#43213032)
Quora has never, in my memory, provided any value to the internet. The answers it seems to provide to google are seemingly inaccurate and also seem completely unmoderated. Furthermore you seemingly have to pay to even ask answers to get updated.
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by smcin on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:43PM (#43213403)
Quora was fantastic back around 2011. It did provide value. That has been decreasing gradually as the site declined.

No you don't have to pay on Quora to get answers; that's incorrect. Having said that, these days most questions languish without good, or often any, answers. The only ones that get traffic from humans are in what Quora calls Spaces, i.e. a group for Q&A around a certain topic, and/or a certain point of view.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by aleph_minus_one on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:44PM (#43213423)
> No you don't have to pay on Quora to see answers; that's incorrect.

Some authors decided to join the Quora+ program where you do have to pay to see some of their answers.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by smcin on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:54PM (#43213557)
I know that. There's nothing forcing you to join Quora+ premium subscription to see a small subset of answers. I wouldn't. Most Quora users don't. It's not necessary.

The vast majority of Quora posters are unmonetized, and if you can't find figure out how to use Quora to get quality answers among them (e.g. figure out which Spaces to join to get traction), you might as well equally consider which Medium/Substack/Patreon to subscribe to than the not-at-all-necessary Quora+. I'd much rather that 90% of any subscriptions I paid went to sponsoring human writers.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by smcin on Saturday March 01, 2025 @03:56PM (#43223602)
Quora 2011 = Treehouse 2020.

An invite-only community with a lot of specialist knowledge.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by aleph_minus_one on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:43PM (#43213415)
> Quora has never, in my memory, provided any value to the internet.

In the very early years of Quora, quite a lot of answers there were written by experts in their area.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by gcanyon on Friday February 28, 2025 @09:32PM (#43215023)
I'll never forget when I read the question, "Who is the mayor of San Jose?" on Quora, and the answer was "Joe Bloe is the mayor of San Jose. Source: I'm Joe Bloe, mayor of San Jose."

Reading that defined Quora in my mind for the next few years.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by edgarvaldes on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:53PM (#43215680)
>Reading that defined Quora in my mind for the next few years.

Because he was an impersonator? Or because he really was Joe Bloe?

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by caminante on Saturday March 01, 2025 @01:05AM (#43216436)
Appears there was never a Joe Bloe. [0]

It's also whimsical of Quora because there are many "San Jose" locations.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_San_Jose,_California

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by gcanyon on Saturday March 01, 2025 @07:54AM (#43218795)
It was a made-up name for the example, since a. I don't remember the exact year; and b. I'm not sure it was San Jose -- it was some city in the bay area, but maybe not San Jose. Chuck Reed was mayor from 2007 to 2015, and I don't see him on Quora, so probably it was some other city.
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by gcanyon on Saturday March 01, 2025 @07:47AM (#43218748)
Who knows? I harbored a 10% skepticism that Quora astroturfed the question. That was just the first example like that I found, in the early days questions like that were common. That should have either removed my skepticism or driven it to 100% :-)
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by 3vidence on Saturday March 01, 2025 @01:51AM (#43216656)
The early days of Quora was incredibly high quality content from experts in all sorts of fields.

Was probably my favorite website, then they decided to start paying people for questions / answers and it all went to shit so incredibly quickly. The site today is completely unrecognizable from it's origins, really sad.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by dredmorbius on Saturday March 01, 2025 @06:01AM (#43218100)
This is incidentally an endemic problem of online discussion sites.

There is only one possible quality flow gradient, and that is downwards.

If a site begins well, with high-quality and relevant content, then those who wish to exploitatively extract value from that factor will be attracted to it. Eventually the clue up and leaves.

If a site begins poorly, with low-quality and irrelevant content, and quite often, abuse, disrespect, fraud, crime, and disinformation to boot ... the clue leaves early and the site rapidly becomes a cesspit.

There's a third option, of course, though one still consistent with the quality flow gradient: holding a steady state. Site quality doesn't improve, but it doesn't markedly deteriorate either. I'd put a small handful of online sites in that category, HN, LWN, and Metafilter top my own list, though I suspect there are others. What's key is that there's a sufficiently small community that norms enforcement is significantly socialised, there's effective and diligent moderation, and crucially (and possibly not the case with my examples) there's fresh blood introduced over time consistent with quality standards. Absent this last, such fora can continue for a time, even over many decades, but eventually stale, often becoming incestuous, and ultimately dying out.

Among real-world institutions which seem to manage to find similar stable points, I'd include most especially academic institutions, which balance a high flux of students with a far more stable faculty and staff cohort. Selective-admissions schools have retained high rank for many decades or centuries, in some cases millennia. Cities, larger political units (states and/or empires), some businesses (including especially professional services firms) and professional organisations (e.g., not-for-profits rather than businesses) may also succeed, at least over the decades-to-centuries span. (Charles Perrow includes a discussion of several noncommercial / nongovernmental organisations with significant changes, we'd now call them "pivots", over the 20th century, in Complex Organizations (1972, 1984).)

The media-quality-gradient is largely a result of scaling laws, the fact that elite cohorts (high degrees of expertise, sociability, and intelligence) tend to be small, and that once an interaction grows beyond the size of such a cohort it will incorporate participants less able, willing, and/or interested in maintaining original standards. I've posted occasionally on large-scale detailed studies of literacy (in the US) and computer skills (OECD) which show that at a population level only about 15% of the population has high literacy, numeracy, and/or computer skills, and that as much as half operate at poor or "worse than poor" levels. As I've discussed previously, this is both discouraging to those who consider themselves among the higher levels, and of significant concern in constructing systems which must and can be used by large portions of society, including those with low intrinsic capabilities (very young, old, sick, injured/traumatised, and the intrinsically less able). Ideally I'd prefer to see elite support where appropriate, but common accessibility where at all possible.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by ForTheKidz on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:19AM (#43220087)
Yes. This also holds for my favorite community on the internet, /r/AskHistorians on reddit. It's the mod team that holds it all together despite the rest of the site being a general dumpster fire. (Curiously, the least competent moderation I've ever witnessed on the internet is on the front page of reddit, specifically /r/worldnews)
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by brookst on Saturday March 01, 2025 @12:08PM (#43221301)
/r/AskHistorians is a case study in well-managed community at scale. Sadly I don’t think it would work for standalone business that had to pay the bills.
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by dredmorbius on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:53PM (#43226298)
As good as AH is, and it is, it's still got some grave issues.

I'd bailed after links to LibGen / SciHub were getting my comments moderated.

Which incidentally points at a problem with moderation: no matter how well-intended, or overall effective, people take issue with their contributions being penalised and removed, especially if they sense unfairness. (Also, especially, if there's a social- or political-group bias detected, again, regardless of merits, but that be 'nother can of worms.)

I'm left with David Weinberger's observation: "Conversation doesn't scale".

<https://dweinberger.medium.com/the-social-web-before-social-...>

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by skeeter2020 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @12:12PM (#43221334)
Not just online discussion sites; any community system. It feels like the typical growth & decay function of a lot of systems, just at internet speed.

My experience: the only way to stay good is to stay small and exclusive, but the internet attacks this defense directly and destroyed it, and at the same time destroyed itself. You need to find the "golden age" of all these systems, enjoy them while you can, try and protect them but recognize their transient nature, and then aggressively cull and move on. Hold onto values not manifestations.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by dredmorbius on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:21AM (#43230761)
Oh, absolutely, it's a long-observed phenomenon of social decay within organisations and movements.

There's a description of the latter I've spent far too long trying to track down without joy.

There's a passage from Charles Perrow's book Complex Organisation giving several examples of organisational drift (not necessarily decline), posted previously: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27415476>.

One of the more spectacular cases of organisational decline was the (formerly literary) magazine American Mercury, founded by amongst others H.L. Mencken. It eventually became an anti-semitic rag, now mostly or completely dead, though it seems to keep zombying annoyingly.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Mercury>

There's also video challen TLC, begun as a partnership between Nasa and PBS, now somewhat reduced as well.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by dredmorbius on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @07:39AM (#43253748)
Found that reference I was looking for, "Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution" by David Chapman, ~2015, <https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths>.

Before there is a subculture, there is a scene. A scene is a small group of creators who invent an exciting New Thing—a musical genre, a religious sect, a film animation technique, a political theory. Riffing off each other, they produce examples and variants, and share them for mutual enjoyment, generating positive energy.

The new scene draws fanatics...

I've mentioned that previously on HN as well as the Fediverse:

<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37353453>

<https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110550422846690414>

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by nyarlathotep_ on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:22AM (#43220125)
Feels like it had a very short lifespan. I recall it being good from 2011-2013-ish and then it seemed to have totally degenerated.

I'm surprised it still exists at this point. Who is it for now?

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by CPLX on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:05AM (#43219337)
Quora was great for awhile and then it sucked. I used to post there a lot they put me in the top writer program at one point and I went to a party once.

I can pinpoint the exact moment the site started to suck. It was when they started combining questions.

Instantly and immediately they took hundreds of thousands of thoughtful answers written by real people and made them incomprehensible, because the exact wording of questions really matters. Often the answers were quite clever, or touched on a specific word used by the asker, or something. Then they'd end up moved and under some generic question on the same topic.

There were a million examples, one dumb one that comes to mind is a question that was something like "If a man is willing to sleep with me, does that mean that he thinks I am attractive" and the top answer was the two word answer "attractive enough". Kind of silly obviously but funny, and accurate, and amusing content.

Then they merged questions so it ended up something like "How can I know if a man I am dating casually likes me" or something, and now the top answer of "attractive enough" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Many such cases. Almost immediately the entire site felt like weird AI output before AI output was really a thing. That happened around ten years ago, and the site never recovered.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by nickpsecurity on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:57PM (#43215707)
That was the main reason I stopped using Google and Quora. I wanted real, relevant results. Instead, they tried to trick me with advertisements.

These companies are just intentionally throwing away users.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by m3kw9 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:08AM (#43219370)
When ever I go into a Quora page it has always 99% confused me on where the answer lies
Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by flessner on Saturday March 01, 2025 @12:02PM (#43221245)
For the past 3 years one of the top answer has always been advertising, rambling on about an absurd story with whacky characters.

Yet I just want StackOverflow for "life" questions.

Re:AI is killing some companies, yet others are thriving – l... by ashleyn on Saturday March 01, 2025 @02:58PM (#43223027)
Yahoo Answers walked so Quora can run.

Quora today is mostly stuff like "can u get pargnet from givng oral????" or "Is it normal to find my sister attractive?"

It's like the Nazi bar problem except instead of Nazis, it's low quality troll bait.