I have two pinned tabs always open in Chrome - one for personal, one for business emails. Works incredibly well for me.

What I find interesting is that its even a product. I know that sounds weird but bear with me for a moment.

Mail (the service) has changed hardly at all for a decade. You send an email, may be you attach a few files, you get the email. The biggest change was that you could send text that had been formatted with HTML so that it looked 'better' (not everyone agrees with this) than plain, monospaced text.

Its a bitch to monetize in any way except direct payment, and yet the Eudora's and other mail clients of the world have faded from memory.

Given the collective memory, is it time for mail as a service? You know you pay $12/year or something and it just works. Nobody futzes with the UI, the amount of space you get/use is entirely a function of what you're willing to pay.

The question I'm asking is this, "Have we collectively come to understand the intrinsic value of email?" If so is there a utility service business plan that makes sense now? I could certainly see how you might structure such a business.

Id' argue Outlook UI changes with every version just as much as Gmail has. Gmail is also far less drastic, as updates are pushed regularly rather than a new version every 2 years or so. You can pay for GDrive and get 25GB for gmail.

E-Mail is a commodity and has been for quite some time. I don't see anyone disrupting the service side of it anytime soon.

They kept the old versions of their web interface alive for many years after the active development of the 'default' moved on to different designs. Which was very helpful for me, as I much preferred their non-Javascript laden interface and kept the one I started with for many years of use.

I only moved on when I tripped their anti-spam/account hacked filter and didn't have my business e-mail for three days because the messages the interface gave me were misleading. Apart from that, I was very happy with them and they were very sensible about what they'd do with the interface.

As an aside, I think $12 a year is unrealistic for paid webmail as you'd need a good level of scale to make it pay for such a small amount. You're already talking about a service a small number of people want (interface staying the same and willing to pay for it) I'd expect you'd find the same people would be willing to pay enough to make the service worth running.

You can hook up plenty of 3rd party native clients to it - if you want, you never have to use the web interface at all (9x% of my gmail usage is from Mac and iOS native clients).

http://jasoncrawford.org/2012/04/how-to-cope-with-the-gmail-...

The stuff I cared about anyway. I agree it is sad.

chrome --app=https://facebook.com --user-data-dir=/home/jewel/.profiles/facebook

The other thing I do is use a different google account for each of their services, so a policy violation in one won't shut off the service in another. For example, I have [email protected] for google calendar, [email protected] for google plus, [email protected] for youtube.

How so? What can Chrome do that using the Firefox Profile Manager can't?

If you make an icon for your various profiles that uses '--no-remote', you can only open one window with that icon. To open more you'll have to find the running instance.

I generally prefer Firefox so if I've missed something I'd love to know, but I searched high and low for a solution and in the end I gave up and swapped to Chrome. Now I have launchers for Facebook, etc. that behave exactly as you would expect. You click the Facebook icon and you get a Facebook window, running the Facebook profile.

Disclaimer: I am about 99% certain this is not some weird internal Google feature (not on the gmail team, don't worry), but it's also been > 1 week since I had to go through this performance so I may have forgotten some detail.

If you really want to keep them separated, you should just use Chrome's multi user accounts or their equivalent in other browsers.

Actually, you explained the problem without noticing it: "It just uses the first account you logged in with." Maybe it should be default account? Because "first account" will always change in round robin fashion because cookies will expire first for the newer account (which is second) and then after you login it will become first.

I guess it might not work well if you click a random link somewhere with two accounts open simultaneously, although I have a bit of sympathy for them there because that does seem kinda tricky to solve.

1. Sign in to personal Gmail by going to gmail.google.com 2. Sign in to work Gmail by going to mail.google.com/a/foo.com (obviously, replace foo.com with your work domain)

(Protip: http://us.mc598.mail.yahoo.com/mc/launch)

Good point about the Google account bans, though. See also: Skydrive.

Bad point about mixing personal and business email in one window, though. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

No, the idea is to have tabs that you can organize based on the context you need. One tab would be personal. Another might emails from one business. The other might be setup for the other.

I wear a couple of hats, so, for example, I'd love to have a tab that's just "Business #1 Engineering" and a separate tab that's "Business #1 Business" and keep those "personalities" separate. My engineering email address is different from my business email address as I've found that this keeps the individual mailboxes cleaner overall. Just my preference. Doesn't make it right. I also have hundreds or rules and lots of VBA code in Outlook making sense out of the whole mess.

I wouldn't have been able to do what I've been doing over the last fifteen years without the level of programming and manipulation available in Outlook.

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Here's hoping that other email clients learn well from Sparrow's success.

Any unpaid account has a chance of being shut down without recourse. I haven't heard of this happening with any Google Apps accounts though (especially paid ones). Anyone else?

I realize this is Hacker News, but Outlook isn't the worst [email or otherwise] product someone can use.

Edit: The comment was originally:

"I've been using Outlook by choice" Sorry, but I just can't wrap my head around this. You say you have tried other clients and yet you keep coming back to Outlook? Did you only try a few web app clients a few years ago and not sense? Have you tried many other fat desktop and/or command line clients? I personally only interact with Outlook when my employer pays me to spend the extra time required to use Outlook. I am utterly baffled by your statement. Like when someone says they get up at 4am every day, but they are not in the military. Sure there might be some okay reasons to do that (a baby, international trading, long commute), but most normal people would still inquire for more information as getting up at 4am by choice is not normal.

RUNNING MULTIPLE INSTANCES OF OUTLOOK

Download and install "ExtraOutlook.exe" from:

http://www.hammerofgod.com/download/ExtraOutlook.zip

Copy the executable to the folder where outlook lives. In the current case that means:

  C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office12\

To create and manage profiles in Vista 64 go to

  Control Panel > View 32-bit Control Panel Items > Mail > Show Profiles

Profile 1:

  "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office12\ExtraOutlook.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office12\OUTLOOK.EXE" /profile "Profile 1"

Profile 2:

  "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office12\ExtraOutlook.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office12\OUTLOOK.EXE" /profile "Profile 2"

I go through the extra effort of assigning a different icon to each account and placing them on the quick-launch toolbar. I've been doing this for about two years and it works great. No issues whatsoever.

I can't believe MS doesn't implement MDI in Outlook so that one can do this using tabs and a single instance.